New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Lanolin]

They all need a head office pal.

Yeah pal, but unless you’re a Liverpool based company pal, not many companies are going to choose to put their head office in L3 pal.

 

[arch stanton]

I work for a large national company and we are actively looking at closing many regional offices as their occupancy doesnt warrant it. The ones at Salford and Speke amongst others are in the firing line for closure

 

[AsiaAsia82]

Not having any idea about housing or commercial developments, but is it possible that the new waterfront buildings could be multi-use, part residential, part retail and part high spec office?

Maybe it’s that mix that’s needed in a regional city?

 

[Tom Hughes]

There’s 261 different properties in Liverpool offering office space, just on Rightmove. Included in this is plenty of premium serviced units.

There isn’t a shortage of premium office space.

The idea that local government should then be incentivising companies to move into additional office space, likely at a significant cost to the taxpayer is pretty wild.

If we’re interested in attracting business, just offer incentives on the hundreds of already vacant office spaces.

Tbf, there is lots of empty office space in most cities and always has been. Even in London some of the larger developments have quite low occupancies. Then again, there are now some smaller cities than Liverpool with more office space due to more speculative building over the last 20-30yrs. The Liverpool Waters scheme provides a real opportunity to spread the business district along the waterfront.... where very high profile, even monumental architecture can really show itself off in a way that other cities can only dream of. The King Edward Towers will be part of that process and a significant cluster of talls to bridge the gap between the existing business destrict and the waterfront developments. Yes, there should also be a large residential element knitted into that, even dual-purpose mixed use blocks.... but office space to attract new employers should be the central driver to attract major business. Obviously the working-from-home revolution has changed a lot of that and should be factored in to high density combined living/working too..... since any district containing a large areas of water requires talls to be sustainable.

Much of the relatively low density South Docks development illustrates this. It has barely merited one new bus service and generated relatively few jobs. The central docks need to be on a far larger and more ambitious scale. We've bookended it with what planners sometimes call a mass attendance venue. For that to ever get the infrastructure it requires, the surrounding areas leading back to the city centre need to be high-density, high-activity with thousands of new jobs.

 

[jazzy]

Yeah pal, but unless you’re a Liverpool based company pal, not many companies are going to choose to put their head office in L3 pal.

Sad but true

 

[Bluesnapper]

These houses could be the seeds of the community surrounding the new stadium much like it was at Goodison. The blue wave will engulf Liverpool.

Would bet that these houses will store up a hatred and stop BMD from its full potential.

 

[Tom Hughes]

Would bet that these houses will store up a hatred and stop BMD from its full potential.

I think the site's constraints and the logistics might be the most limiting factors. Anyone moving into the area now, does so with the full knowledge of the stadium's existence, and potential for expansion. With no-one really threatened by right-of-light issues.

 

[charlie atkins]

But as already demonstrated the market is dictating a demand for housing and hotel space not office space. If there were demand for world class office space then the developers would have been led by the market and upgraded Silkhouse Court etc and the Pall Mall development would not have been stalled for years. "Build it and they will come" does not apply in this sort of property development; the market dictates it.

AI will put paid to a lot of office jobs, as well as working from home

 

[balggy]

my only issue with residential development is whether it constrains what we can do with the stadium, in terms of holding concerts etc.

I want us to absolutely max out events over the summer and I don’t want that to be constricted by residents and councillors kicking off.

Anfield is based in a residential area and is constricted, probably rightly so. We’ve build in a derelict part of the city.

 

[Tom Hughes]

my only issue with residential development is whether it constrains what we can do with the stadium, in terms of holding concerts etc.

I want us to absolutely max out events over the summer and I don’t want that to be constricted by residents and councillors kicking off.

Anfield is based in a residential area and is constricted, probably rightly so. We’ve build in a derelict part of the city.

Again, I think the main limiting factor is that we haven't really built a multi-purpose arena. There is no closing roof or moving pitch. Yes, the plaza could be an asset for various mid-range events, but noise polution would still be a factor as there is already increased residential locally.

If we wanted all-year round flexibility, Lille was probably the model to follow. They have a folding pitch and closing roof.

 

[Lmc2016]

my only issue with residential development is whether it constrains what we can do with the stadium, in terms of holding concerts etc.

I want us to absolutely max out events over the summer and I don’t want that to be constricted by residents and councillors kicking off.

Anfield is based in a residential area and is constricted, probably rightly so. We’ve build in a derelict part of the city.

We'll be fine, the stadium will have been there long before any of this built, events will be well established by then

 

[BullensRoad]

Tbf, there is lots of empty office space in most cities and always has been. Even in London some of the larger developments have quite low occupancies. Then again, there are now some smaller cities than Liverpool with more office space due to more speculative building over the last 20-30yrs. The Liverpool Waters scheme provides a real opportunity to spread the business district along the waterfront.... where very high profile, even monumental architecture can really show itself off in a way that other cities can only dream of. The King Edward Towers will be part of that process and a significant cluster of talls to bridge the gap between the existing business destrict and the waterfront developments. Yes, there should also be a large residential element knitted into that, even dual-purpose mixed use blocks.... but office space to attract new employers should be the central driver to attract major business. Obviously the working-from-home revolution has changed a lot of that and should be factored in to high density combined living/working too..... since any district containing a large areas of water requires talls to be sustainable.

Much of the relatively low density South Docks development illustrates this. It has barely merited one new bus service and generated relatively few jobs. The central docks need to be on a far larger and more ambitious scale. We've bookended it with what planners sometimes call a mass attendance venue. For that to ever get the infrastructure it requires, the surrounding areas leading back to the city centre need to be high-density, high-activity with thousands of new jobs.

Exactly. I don't know why people are going on about office space that's currently available in old dated buildings.

I was hoping the new stadium would be a catalyst of increased investment in that area. Getting blue chip businesses would have a great return for the city.

Building cheap housing next to what's supposed to be 365 arena is a horrible idea, it would restrict the number of events it can hold.

 

[Gardocki]

The central docks site is ideal for residential development. There's enough of a buffer between this site and BMD to prevent complains from residents about a stadium that was there beforehand.

This area needs life and residential communities to regenerate it. Football clubs are better to be within communities rather than isolated areas industrial areas.

Modern office zones are often deserted at night and at weekends. That said, there are still opportunities for high-rise office buildings on the sites at the city end of the north docks.

 

[BullensRoad]

The central docks site is ideal for residential development. There's enough of a buffer between this site and BMD to prevent complains from residents about a stadium that was there beforehand.

This area needs life and residential communities to regenerate it. Football clubs are better to be within communities rather than isolated areas industrial areas.

Modern office zones are often deserted at night and at weekends. That said, there are still opportunities for high-rise office buildings on the sites at the city end of the north docks.

You'll end up with this.

 

[James Patrick]

We'll be fine, the stadium will have been there long before any of this built, events will be well established by then

Irrelevant - loads of established clubs and bars in the city centre were impacted by residential developments after they were built due to noise issues. Once homes are built they have the same rights as anyone else.