2025/26 David Moyes

[windymiller]

How much of that is on Moyes?

I thought I was quite explicit about that but I will reiterate for you. The thing that's on Moyes is the bit where he's calling our potential new signings lower quality signings. That is likely to colour their view of joining us, imo. He is also one of the members of the transfer committee who decide upon our targets and that has gone poorly by Moyes' own admission.
I also wasn't only talking about Moyes, I also think our owners have royally messed up. As detailed in my post.
According to you neither Moyes nor the owners bear any responsibility for our, to use your own words, grim situation. I gave my reasons why I think that is nonsense.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Turn it around a bit.

Players MOYES wanted such as:

John McGinn: Villa Captain soon 31 and on his way down. No resale value and at a club in a better position than Everton.

Grealish: Unwanted at City and on a £12mil loan fee. No resale value and joining as he'll start every game and can stay at home.

KDH: Unwanted at Chelsea and on a £25mil + £4mil fee. Very limited resale value seeing as no one else wanted him at Leicester and did nothing at Chelsea - a 27 year old next week who is unproven.

Travers: Unwanted at Bournemouth and on a £4mil + £3mil fee. Very limited resale value as after his loan to Boro only Everton were in for him.

Now we can see hes gone for players to come in straight away who have limited or no resale value.

Burning money for short term gain.

Imagine we apparently tried for Matty cash of Villa. What kind of signing is a 28 year old right back?

Praise Zeus this man did not get who he wanted. I suspect hed wanted all sorts of experienced players 27-30 years old for big signing on fees, big wages and no resale.




Fellows
Nuamah
Wesley

Theyre the 3 Thelwell had lined up according to sources.



Its been a funny window for Moyes

1: Stadium & elite players wanted

2: Angry as his colleagues are failing

3: Saying players should look at his results last season and the fancy ground.

4: Admitting no one cares about any stadium. Only Europe. That were now far down our lists.


Imagine if he had just shut his mouth.

His public pronouncements have been unhelpful to the club , but have ensured he is seen as the helpless victim in this .
Don’t remember him being quite so snarky or rebellious under Kenwright .
Of course the fact that Kenwright made sure he was one of the best paid managers in Europe , with the only requirement to survive, probably eased his angst at the time.
Didn’t buy his loyalty in the end though.

 

[Zatara]

His public pronouncements have been unhelpful to the club , but have ensured he is seen as the helpless victim in this .
Don’t remember him being quite so snarky or rebellious under Kenwright .
Of course the fact that Kenwright made sure he was one of the best paid managers in Europe , with the only requirement to survive, probably eased his angst at the time.
Didn’t buy his loyalty in the end though.

"We have money, but were struggling to spend it"

As i posted in the Dibling thread. Any selling club knows were desperate due to Moyes public comments.

Why would they even negotiate on price when hes claiming we have bundles of money?

Its just absolutely self serving and sabotaging Hammond and Kinnear.

ALL WINDOW !!!

 

[PercyPlant]

I thought I was quite explicit about that but I will reiterate for you. The thing that's on Moyes is the bit where he's calling our potential new signings lower quality signings. That is likely to colour their view of joining us, imo. He is also one of the members of the transfer committee who decide upon our targets and that has gone poorly by Moyes' own admission.
I also wasn't only talking about Moyes, I also think our owners have royally messed up. As detailed in my post.
According to you neither Moyes nor the owners bear any responsibility for our, to use your own words, grim situation. I gave my reasons why I think that is nonsense.

I understand that, but the general annoyance seems to be we haven’t signed anyone, so do we just want to sign anyone? Or aspire to get players to improve us. You may say he doesn’t need to say it, fair enough, I see that point, but we’ve been linked with many players, there was genuine excitement on this forum about Fofana and Dibling, but then we’ve seen the reaction to Brownhill.

So if Moyes isn’t honest with the fanbase and just starts signing lower calibre players, he’s then be accused of lacking ambition.

As said, playing cards at a crooked table and can’t win.

Which is pathetic as he’s done more for us than any human since the turn of the century.

 

[windymiller]

I understand that, but the general annoyance seems to be we haven’t signed anyone, so do we just want to sign anyone? Or aspire to get players to improve us. You may say he doesn’t need to say it, fair enough, I see that point, but we’ve been linked with many players, there was genuine excitement on this forum about Fofana and Dibling, but then we’ve seen the reaction to Brownhill.

So if Moyes isn’t honest with the fanbase and just starts signing lower calibre players, he’s then be accused of lacking ambition.

As said, playing cards at a crooked table and can’t win.

Which is pathetic as he’s done more for us than any human since the turn of the century.

I don't have a problem with Moyes calling out the club for a lack of signings, I have a problem with him denigrating our potential signings, before we sign them, whilst we're in a situation where we are literally desperate for signings. What's the upside?
There have been myriad problems within the club this summer and Moyes is part of them, he doesn't sit outside of them. What he did for us in the past is irrelevant if he's currently hurting our future. Everyone at the club needs to wind their neck in and get on with their jobs. And quickly.

 

[Streetender1878]

Theres over half the league who are in the same boat when it comes to getting players in. Moyes even admits this. Its the "players dont want to sign for this club." Why even say that? Are the other 12 or so managers saying this? So we are finding it hard to sign players so moyes saying what hes said will make that easier for the club? Turn it in davey. Just keep it to yourself.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I understand that, but the general annoyance seems to be we haven’t signed anyone, so do we just want to sign anyone? Or aspire to get players to improve us. You may say he doesn’t need to say it, fair enough, I see that point, but we’ve been linked with many players, there was genuine excitement on this forum about Fofana and Dibling, but then we’ve seen the reaction to Brownhill.

So if Moyes isn’t honest with the fanbase and just starts signing lower calibre players, he’s then be accused of lacking ambition.

As said, playing cards at a crooked table and can’t win.

Which is pathetic as he’s done more for us than any human since the turn of the century.

I disagree with that last paragraph.
It’s like there is some sort of deification process among Evertonians based around the
‘Myth of Moyes’
For 4 seasons he steered us away from danger .
For 2 seasons he improved us .
Then he gave up or reached his limitations
and sat back trousering a good wedge while waiting for his best mate to hand him the United gig.

 

[PercyPlant]

I disagree with that last paragraph.
It’s like there is some sort of deification process among Evertonians based around the
‘Myth of Moyes’
For 4 seasons he steered us away from danger .
For 2 seasons he improved us .
Then he gave up or reached his limitations
and sat back trousering a good wedge while waiting for his best mate to hand him the United gig.

Ok, well at least offer up who has done more?

 

[Zatara]

I understand that, but the general annoyance seems to be we haven’t signed anyone, so do we just want to sign anyone? Or aspire to get players to improve us. You may say he doesn’t need to say it, fair enough, I see that point, but we’ve been linked with many players, there was genuine excitement on this forum about Fofana and Dibling, but then we’ve seen the reaction to Brownhill.

So if Moyes isn’t honest with the fanbase and just starts signing lower calibre players, he’s then be accused of lacking ambition.

As said, playing cards at a crooked table and can’t win.

Which is pathetic as he’s done more for us than any human since the turn of the century.

Moyes picks the players to approach
Everton then approach the agents
The players do not want to sign

Moyes then says "players do not want to sign as there is no european football"

Anyone should be seeing this as Moyes picking the wrong targets.

He's clearly after established or big name players who believe they are already at a top club so why leave, or a big club will come in for them.

So the fault is with Moyes for going after the wrong targets.

Now those targets are gone.

Hes saying were after lower calibre players.

Its utterly pathetic.

 

[jceverton]

How much of that is on Moyes

Pretty much all of it. For the following reasons:-
1) He didn't want to work with a DOF system. So he demanded that Thelwell and Purdy go and a new structure be put in place.
2) He's the one identifying the targets, no one else.
3) He's the one who chose James Smith as head of recruitment who can't actually start the job until after the transfer window closes.

If it's not on Moyes I'd love to know who's responsible!

 

[PercyPlant]

I disagree with that last paragraph.
It’s like there is some sort of deification process among Evertonians based around the
‘Myth of Moyes’
For 4 seasons he steered us away from danger .
For 2 seasons he improved us .
Then he gave up or reached his limitations
and sat back trousering a good wedge while waiting for his best mate to hand him the United gig.

Which 2 seasons did he improve us in your opinion? To finish 7th after the smith years in 02/03 was remarkable l, to give us our best season in 04/05 after the summer that went before was incredible and from 07-09 that’s the best most consistent Everton I’ve seen, he was then on his way to rebuilding us again in 11/12 until Martinez ruined it.

 

[Streetender1878]

Ok, well at least offer up who has done more?

Bill kenwright

 

[bluestevon]

If good players aren’t that fussed on signing for Everton they are also by implication not particularly attracted to the idea of playing for Moyes either.

Think we can also draw a line under the idea players want to sign for x,y,z team because of say Europa league etc or anything else similar.

95% of players

Glasner is a top Manager, no idea where Palace got him from or why, but his players give everything for him and they are really well organised.

Frankfurt mate, he won the UEFA cup with them, incidentally knocking out Moyes's west ham in the semi final.

 

[PercyPlant]

Bill kenwright

I’m genuinely interested to see the reply. It may even be worth a thread.

Which individual has done the most for Everton since the turn of the century.

 

[jceverton]

Moyes picks the players to approach
Everton then approach the agents
The players do not want to sign

Moyes then says "players do not want to sign as there is no european football"

Anyone should be seeing this as Moyes picking the wrong targets.

He's clearly after established or big name players who believe they are already at a top club so why leave, or a big club will come in for them.

So the fault is with Moyes for going after the wrong targets.

Now those targets are gone.

Hes saying were after lower calibre players.

Its utterly pathetic.

And the worse of it is the same people who wanted Thelwell gone somehow think this is nothing to do with Moyes!