2025/26 David Moyes

[Rita_Poon]

Reporter: David, any word on any new faces

DM: We're here for the summer usa tour and to get some pre season fitness and match sharpness built

Reporter: Those new signings

DM: The temperatures are looking a bit high, the water breaks will be important

R: Are you happy with the squad you have left after all of the exits

DM: We've got a game plan, and some cover, things will start to come together from here

etc

He'd have probably been better off saying nothing about any players, transfers, weaknesses in the squad, thanking the players that'd left, and talking about the choices on the menu at the hotel.
Once signings were a subject, just like every other club, it's all the interest that there is. Forget who signed yesterday, who's next, yesterdays news aint news, we want more. you've signed 4, why not 8? why not 10? why not 20? Don't you care about your club and your job!?!

It's ridiculous.

Damned either way.

 

[Zatara]

I understand what you're saying but I'm not sure what any sort of arrogance would have been based on.

We've been a laughing stock for years. Our selling points are a shiny new stadium (which is barely a selling point at all), the fact we aren't skint finally and we have a manager who's not incompetent.

There's no European football on offer, we aren't financially strong enough or with enough PSR wiggle room to blow teams out of the water, we are effectively relying on selling the dream to players and for most of them, that's not enough - they'll go where the money is or where the higher standard is.

We've done remarkably well to sell it to Grealish and, to a slightly lesser extent, to KDH.

Essentially, I think this "new dawn" stuff exists really in the heads of the fans and the club (with the "unprecedented" stuff) hasn't done enough to temper expectations about how long it will take to get to the level where we are trying to sign players on a level playing field with others.

Just because we all have this new start stuff in our heads with a new manager, new stadium, new owners etc doesn't mean it exists in everyone else's. To them we are Everton, who've been crap for years, talking a good game.

Im sorry but i dont see a £12mil+ loan for Grealish as a massive coup.

He didnt have any others in for him that enable him to live at home, play down the road, pick up the same salary and play in the premier league every week.

KDH was unwanted at Chelsea. Who else is dropping £25mil + £4mil add ons who has done absolutely nothing in the premier league as an english player turning 27 next week?

Whats so massively impressive here?


Sure Grealish improves the team. Sure KDH could be a good signing unless Moyes keeps using him as a 10.

Both need replacing/upgrading next summer if we are aiming for top 7.

 

[COYBL25]

Fulham and Palace are also having a terrible window. They've got less to do in terms of their squads, however.

As are Newcastle, but as you say it’s all relative.

 

[Seathestars]

It will have been Frank or Irraola or Glasner, Glasner I believe they tried to get to go Roma before Rossi.

Glasner is a top Manager, no idea where Palace got him from or why, but his players give everything for him and they are really well organised.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Im sorry but i dont see a £12mil+ loan for Grealish as a massive coup.

He didnt have any others in for him that enable him to live at home, play down the road, pick up the same salary and play in the premier league every week.

KDH was unwanted at Chelsea. Who else is dropping £25mil + £4mil add ons who has done absolutely nothing in the premier league as an english player turning 27 next week?

Whats so massively impressive here?


Sure Grealish improves the team. Sure KDH could be a good signing unless Moyes keeps using him as a 10.

Both need replacing/upgrading next summer if we are aiming for top 7.

Grealish isn't a coup unless we've got players around him who can complement his skillset.

 

[windymiller]

Tough thread to gauge this, Moyes is being hammered for saying we’ve gone for good players but they aren’t too keen to come. So what questions does that lead to? Should we not be targeting good players? Should we be able to get good players? If not, is that solely on Moyes and TFG? Is there no criticism as to what’s gone before? This club has squandered millions, we’ve been relegation fodder for years. How many times have we got plus 50 points since Moyes left?

That’s a lot of questions, but how can Moyes be to blame for us not having the squad we want at this stage? He’s playing cards at a crooked table.

It’s not on the owners either, just yet, for me, we’ve been in for players, we can only be in for players if we can afford/buy them.

Yes it’s a lot grimmer than it should be going on to the new stadium, but this isn’t FIFA. If the players we want don’t want to come we have to be honest as to why, we’ve been absolutely abhorrent since Moyes left. About 3 top 10 finishes in 12 years(when Moyes left we’d only have to go back 3 years to have those 3 top 10 finishes) It’s rubbish. We know it, but so does the wider footballing world.

Bar Ancelotti we’ve appointed mediocre manager after mediocre manager. We’re a posh version of Sunderland, they circled the drain for years and got caught, we started circling the drain in 14/15 and haven’t really stopped since.

Wait, so it's not Moyes' fault and it's not the owners fault but we're in a grim situation going into the new stadium. Did I summarise that correctly? If so, then who is responsible? Kaiser Sosai?

 

[COYBL25]

Glasner is a top Manager, no idea where Palace got him from or why, but his players give everything for him and they are really well organised.

He’s about to lose Eze and Guehi, with little or no chance of replacing them with similar players of that quality, unless he’s allowed to spend all of the money that those players will bring in.

He’s not a happy camper.

 

[PercyPlant]

Grealish isn't a coup unless we've got players around him who can complement his skillset.

Exactly, having Grealish with Beto ahead is like having a 4 year old Ferrari and putting diesel in it.

 

[PercyPlant]

Wait, so it's not Moyes' fault and it's not the owners fault but we're in a grim situation going into the new stadium. Did I summarise that correctly? If so, then who is responsible? Kaiser Sosai?

Ahh, so you do think it’s FIFA. All that’s gone before is forgotten, turn negotiations on “easy” and start with a billion I the bank.

Simple as that.

 

[windymiller]

He’s about to lose Eze and Guehi, with little or no chance of replacing them with similar players of that quality, unless he’s allowed to spend all of the money that those players will bring in.

He’s not a happy camper.

We should be keeping close tabs on that situation.

 

[PercyPlant]

We should be keeping close tabs on that situation.

So a manager who has done really really well but can’t keep his best players will all of a sudden join us and help us temp any player we want

 

[Zatara]

Tough thread to gauge this, Moyes is being hammered for saying we’ve gone for good players but they aren’t too keen to come. So what questions does that lead to? Should we not be targeting good players? Should we be able to get good players? If not, is that solely on Moyes and TFG? Is there no criticism as to what’s gone before? This club has squandered millions, we’ve been relegation fodder for years. How many times have we got plus 50 points since Moyes left?

That’s a lot of questions, but how can Moyes be to blame for us not having the squad we want at this stage? He’s playing cards at a crooked table.

It’s not on the owners either, just yet, for me, we’ve been in for players, we can only be in for players if we can afford/buy them.

Yes it’s a lot grimmer than it should be going on to the new stadium, but this isn’t FIFA. If the players we want don’t want to come we have to be honest as to why, we’ve been absolutely abhorrent since Moyes left. About 3 top 10 finishes in 12 years(when Moyes left we’d only have to go back 3 years to have those 3 top 10 finishes) It’s rubbish. We know it, but so does the wider footballing world.

Bar Ancelotti we’ve appointed mediocre manager after mediocre manager. We’re a posh version of Sunderland, they circled the drain for years and got caught, we started circling the drain in 14/15 and haven’t really stopped since.

Turn it around a bit.

Players MOYES wanted such as:

John McGinn: Villa Captain soon 31 and on his way down. No resale value and at a club in a better position than Everton.

Grealish: Unwanted at City and on a £12mil loan fee. No resale value and joining as he'll start every game and can stay at home.

KDH: Unwanted at Chelsea and on a £25mil + £4mil fee. Very limited resale value seeing as no one else wanted him at Leicester and did nothing at Chelsea - a 27 year old next week who is unproven.

Travers: Unwanted at Bournemouth and on a £4mil + £3mil fee. Very limited resale value as after his loan to Boro only Everton were in for him.

Now we can see hes gone for players to come in straight away who have limited or no resale value.

Burning money for short term gain.

Imagine we apparently tried for Matty cash of Villa. What kind of signing is a 28 year old right back?

Praise Zeus this man did not get who he wanted. I suspect hed wanted all sorts of experienced players 27-30 years old for big signing on fees, big wages and no resale.

I argued for retaining Thelwell - you do that I know for a fact Purdy doesn't walk.

I argued against Moyes and fir potter last season - as those were the only two names - yeah potter would have been an awful choice but Moyes should have been

I know 100% he cancelled the lad from Lyon who we'd arranged to buy for 20m

Fellows
Nuamah
Wesley

Theyre the 3 Thelwell had lined up according to sources.

If good players aren’t that fussed on signing for Everton they are also by implication not particularly attracted to the idea of playing for Moyes either.

Its been a funny window for Moyes

1: Stadium & elite players wanted

2: Angry as his colleagues are failing

3: Saying players should look at his results last season and the fancy ground.

4: Admitting no one cares about any stadium. Only Europe. That were now far down our lists.


Imagine if he had just shut his mouth.

 

[windymiller]

Ahh, so you do think it’s FIFA. All that’s gone before is forgotten, turn negotiations on “easy” and start with a billion I the bank.

Simple as that.

No, prepare for the window properly, starting last January. Don't bin off the entire recruitment team and then not replace them for months, including a bunch who are on gardening leave until after this window closes - that's the owners. They have done a crappy job.
Then, don't have your manager mouthing off stating that the players we are attempting to convince to come to the club now are "a step down" and can "do a job for us". Slagging off the very players you hope to sign in advance of signing them is stupid. That's on the manager, he is also hampering our efforts.
Be professional, it's really not that hard. Unlike formulating arguments like "you think it's like FIFA" which is very easy. Facile even.
There's only one thing simple here and it's someone who named himself after the front man of a seminal heavy rock band.

 

[windymiller]

So a manager who has done really really well but can’t keep his best players will all of a sudden join us and help us temp any player we want

Yes, that's what I said. Oh no, wait, I said we should keep our eyes on a very talented manager for when we're looking to upgrade from our current incumbent. Basically the same thing.

 

[PercyPlant]

No, prepare for the window properly, starting last January. Don't bin off the entire recruitment team and then not replace them for months, including a bunch who are on gardening leave until after this window closes - that's the owners. They have done a crappy job.
Then, don't have your manager mouthing off stating that the players we are attempting to convince to come to the club now are "a step down" and can "do a job for us". Slagging off the very players you hope to sign in advance of signing them is stupid. That's on the manager, he is also hampering our efforts.
Be professional, it's really not that hard. Unlike formulating arguments like "you think it's like FIFA" which is very easy. Facile even.
There's only one thing simple here and it's someone who named himself after the front man of a seminal heavy rock band.

How much of that is on Moyes?