Transfer Rumour Nathan Ake

[MikeH72]

This is so out of left field it almost smells of it being a test to see who the mole is

If it is then I’d suggest the club stops acting like a 15 year old internet troll and starts signing some footballers with 7 working days of the transfer window left.

 

[bluestevon]

Perhaps those deals were just easier to get over the line?

If you are counting Keane as a centre back, then you can't claim Coleman and Patterson don't exist.
And if (as it seems) you are counting Ake as both a CB and a LB, then we have to include JOB in the RB column too. So we have 3 RBs.

I agree the backline is not balanced and we really need an automatic first choice RB that is much better than the options currently available, but we don't need to make things up to justify it.

Moyes won't be involved in any of the negotiations, but he will (and absolutely should) have the major say in which players our recruitment team go after.

Should have a say - a minor one, not the major say, at the best outcome he's hear for another 22 months, unless the plan is a like for like replacement of Moyes whenever the time comes - then letting him essentially choose the players is exactly what caused the mess under previous managers.

Manager chooses the players you end up with a mess soon as you change to a different style of manager.

 

[Eggs]

….ffs, his own thread

 

[Zatara]

Those are three good questions. But none of us know the answers.

So my question is - why are some people making up their own answers and then becoming angry at their own made up answers?

Its a forum. You wouldnt find the Roman Senate as a sanguine place for discourse.

Its all about debate and hate.

Should have a say - a minor one, not the major say, at the best outcome he's hear for another 22 months, unless the plan is a like for like replacement of Moyes whenever the time comes - then letting him essentially choose the players is exactly what caused the mess under previous managers.

Manager chooses the players you end up with a mess soon as you change to a different style of manager.

If you were to make a guess.

Which of our signings to you think were handpicked and pushed for by Moyes?

 

[bluestevon]

Its a forum. You wouldnt find the Roman Senate as a sanguine place for discourse.

Its all about debate and hate.



If you were to make a guess.

Which of our signings to you think were handpicked and pushed for by Moyes?

All of them I think he's been either the one putting forth the name or one taking a recommendation, the guy who is gonna be head of recruitment from September from City remember has worked with Moyes here before and at another club also, I'm pretty sure the younger foreign recommendations were given to moyes by him and Moyes has been the one bringing the name to Hammond etc.

I don't think a single player has come from either AK or Hammond all window.

Hammond is the one whose taking the names Moyes gives and then trying to negotiate - he's not one analysing data or scouting reports. AK is at best naive in how football operates and is essentially a corporate management guy entirely relying right now on Moyes bro going names and Hammond sorting the deals.

 

[bluestevon]

@Zatara

I also believe that's part - a big part of the horrible disjointed approach, we have a head of recruitment who due to legal reasons can't be seen to be involved doing the job, so is almost trying to run through Moyes to Hammond rather than any direct communication. Plus that creates a huge vacuum that Moyes can throw in his own names on top that may not otherwise be under consideration



That's just from certain things I've heard btw, not gospel but I believe where it's coming from.

 

[Blue peter]

Man City are loving us. Given this would I think have to be a permanent move, I hope we do not pay a lot, because of his age and his reported injury record. Seems a little desperate to me.

 

[Zatara]

All of them I think he's been either the one putting forth the name or one taking a recommendation, the guy who is gonna be head of recruitment from September from City remember has worked with Moyes here before and at another club also, I'm pretty sure the younger foreign recommendations were given to moyes by him and Moyes has been the one bringing the name to Hammond etc.

I don't think a single player has come from either AK or Hammond all window.

Hammond is the one whose taking the names Moyes gives and then trying to negotiate - he's not one analysing data or scouting reports. AK is at best naive in how football operates and is essentially a corporate management guy entirely relying right now on Moyes bro going names and Hammond sorting the deals.

@Zatara

I also believe that's part - a big part of the horrible disjointed approach, we have a head of recruitment who due to legal reasons can't be seen to be involved doing the job, so is almost trying to run through Moyes to Hammond rather than any direct communication. Plus that creates a huge vacuum that Moyes can throw in his own names on top that may not otherwise be under consideration



That's just from certain things I've heard btw, not gospel but I believe where it's coming from.

That seems solid to me.

Lets say for arguments sake:

Barry & Anzou were picked by the City guy, James Smith.

Alcaraz was signed because he did enough to warrant £12.5mil fee and generally the fans like him.

I cant conceive that Smith would be pushing KDH, Travers or King for example.

As he's ex City has Smith pushed Grealish and now Ake?

Who is pushing Dibling and Fofana?

None of it makes any sense for a transfer strategy.

 

[stretford blue]

That seems solid to me.

Lets say for arguments sake:

Barry & Anzou were picked by the City guy, James Smith.

Alcaraz was signed because he did enough to warrant £12.5mil fee and generally the fans like him.

I cant conceive that Smith would be pushing KDH, Travers or King for example.

As he's ex City has Smith pushed Grealish and now Ake?

Who is pushing Dibling and Fofana?

None of it makes any sense for a transfer strategy.

We are back that's if it ever went away a scattergun approach to transfers that will leave us short in the positions we desperately need

 

[Bedfordblue]

Smacks of an opportunistic signing just because they can get it over the line rather than a signing that’s needed.
Anus Angus can then tell Desperate Dan and Rootin’ Tootin’ Ryan what a coup he’s achieved.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Great signing

Kiss of death

 

[bluestevon]

That seems solid to me.

Lets say for arguments sake:

Barry & Anzou were picked by the City guy, James Smith.

Alcaraz was signed because he did enough to warrant £12.5mil fee and generally the fans like him.

I cant conceive that Smith would be pushing KDH, Travers or King for example.

As he's ex City has Smith pushed Grealish and now Ake?

Who is pushing Dibling and Fofana?

None of it makes any sense for a transfer strategy.

Both Dibling and Fofana will have been on cities lists of young players to watch. City have the advantage though if not needing to buy them at this age but waiting until they move to another club, develop further and then they buy them when they are closer to the finished article - Costs more but minimises risk for them. The opposite of how Chelsea do things actually.

KDH very well could have been Smiths, he fits the profile of a city type player although one not good enough for them ever to buy but statistically he'd have been showing up on their reports of a player with certain metrics etc.

 

[brieverton]

Smacks of an opportunistic signing just because they can get it over the line rather than a signing that’s needed.
Anus Angus can then tell Desperate Dan and Rootin’ Tootin’ Ryan what a coup he’s achieved.

We might see more of this. This is what the final days of the window tend to default to, unless you're one of the elite. For the sides below them, it's all a bit of a merry-go-round with little to any of them ending up better off than when they started.

 

[Zatara]

Both Dibling and Fofana will have been on cities lists of young players to watch. City have the advantage though if not needing to buy them at this age but waiting until they move to another club, develop further and then they buy them when they are closer to the finished article - Costs more but minimises risk for them. The opposite of how Chelsea do things actually.

KDH very well could have been Smiths, he fits the profile of a city type player although one not good enough for them ever to buy but statistically he'd have been showing up on their reports of a player with certain metrics etc.

Agree on the wingers. Not on KDH.

I dont see any metric which would be noticed by City and let alone him being signed as a 10 which seems to be the case.

For me, KDH, Travers, King and Grealish seem Moyes pig headed short term signings.

I cant see any reason for them to have been signed and even James Smith could be a stretch with Ake & Grealish.

Surely he's not still working for City as a double agent

 

[Evertonthat]

Decent CB who can more than cover LB. He'd be a good signing, especially as our first choice left sided CB and LB are both injured, and our only cover is Michael Keane and a centre mid!