Ranking Everton Managers This Century


cantlivewithem said:
Any credit Dyche may have been due has been totally wiped away by Moyes 2nd tenure. Dyche seemed like he achieved by keeping Everton just out of relegation because he followed the disaster spells of Benitez and Lampard. He created the illusion that Everton getting 38 points was the maximum achievable because the team was so poor. He continued with that rhetoric last season during the first 19 games until Moyes took over the team for the last 19 games and blew that out of the water.

We have not had a great team over the last four seasons but it wasn't bad enough to have finished 16th 17th and 15th, it was the managers in charge that are responsible for that. Moyes had the same team performing like a top 8 team. If we are to give Dyche any credit at all then we have to say the top two managers of the 2000s are Moyes at 1 and 2 because if Dyche was doing a decent job then what Moyes did last season was miraculous
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….i disagree. Nothing distracts from Dyche’s achievement in keeping us up that dreadful season. No doubt Moyes is the better manager, he came in and improved performance and results but Dyche worked wonders in that perfect storm of a season.
 
Eggs said:
….i disagree. Nothing distracts from Dyche’s achievement in keeping us up that dreadful season. No doubt Moyes is the better manager, he came in and improved performance and results but Dyche worked wonders in that perfect storm of a season.
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He still only got that team to get 48 points that season which obviously became 40 after the deductions. I think Moyes would have probably got more points had he been there that season. What I would say about Dyche was that he demonstrated that he had the perfect personality to have been been able to cope with all that crap that was going on at the time. He was very laid back during what was a whirlwind of chaos
 

Saint Domingo said:
Moyes mark 1
Sean Dyche
Ancelotti
Martinez
Moyes mark 2
Allardyce
Silva
Smith
Benitez
Lampard
Koeman

Moyes mark 2 will climb higher if he kicks us further on this season.

I’ve based this on what the managers did with the resources they had. I think Silva Koeman and Ancelotti got an unbelievable amount of resources that other managers didn’t have and I don’t think any of them really did that much with it.
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Good call that mate…. Initially I thought Dyche at number 2?!?… but in context, re points deductions, club Omni-cluster-fcuk of a place… yeah about right 👍… only one is query is why Lampard so low?… he did keep us up that season ….
 
Drico said:
This really is the slow bicycle race league table.

Moyes clearly tops it - not for brilliance, but for doing a very solid job in trying circumstances for so long in his first stint. Last season's cameo burnishes his credentials. Won nothing, though, and that HAS to be a black mark against any Everton manager at any time, let alone one who had 11 years to win something.

Ancelotti is head and shoulders the greatest manager on the list - but then he'd be that on pretty much any list of managers. It's a real shame we never got him when we had adults running the club, but other than making us feel good about ourselves for 12 months, the Carlo show was inevitably short.

For one season of thrilling football - and it was as thrilling as much as it was an aberration - Roberto Martinez deserves a top five place. 2013-14 was unquestionably the best season for me as an Evertonian since the mid-1980s. We played magnificent football at times - but it was a mirage. As soon as his predecessor's defence started to creak, the jig was up for Mr Sunshine. The moment he signed Aiden McGeady was the end.

Now, to two controversial choices - but both worthy ones. Sam Allardyce did everything required of him during his stint. The same can be said of Sean Dyche, whose job will be looked back on with respect by history. Both had one other thing in common: they outstayed their welcomes. Had Sam left after six months, voluntarily, he'd have been wished well. Had Woany's mate done likewise after the points deduction season, the same would be said.

The rest have been rubbish, I'm afraid. Walter was a decent man well past his best by the turn of this century. He was kept on for 18 months of needless agony (for all of us). Ronald Koeman was a vanity signing who didn't want to be here, took the money anyway, and went off playing golf. His demise was inevitable. Marco Silva wasn't remotely worth the grief Moshiri brought upon himself and the club in taking him - and any manager who loses 2-6 at home to Spurs and 5-2 at Anfield is incompetent - no matter how tippy or tappy his style of play. Benitez was at least 15 years past his best when he somehow rocked up here as the wrong man at the wrong club at the wrong time. His previous competence was glimpsed for a few months, but it just became too grim to accept his presence... His appointment and tenure was arguably the lowest point in the club's history - not for who he was, but for the state of us that meant going to him was an option. That was the nadir...until Fan-friendly Frank arrived.

"Enjoy the football." Not really, Frank, no. Nice guy, fantastically incompetent and in way over his head.
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Very good summary mate, agree with most of that 👍
 
Gotagotmug said:
1. Moyes (Mk 1) - Not the most beautiful football we'll ever see, but did a great job of keeping the club competitive and pushing for Europe year in, year out. Other names on the list made it look like a much harder task than it was. Gave us the Baines-Pienaar axis of terror on the left as well.
2. Ancelotti - Covid robbed us of what could have been something special at Goodison for the first half of the 2021/2022 season. For the best it was behind closed doors for the second half.
3. Martinez - Every now and again I think about the run of games where we ran through teams at Goodison in the 2013/2014 season, like the Arsenal 3-0 and Moyes' United 2-0. Probably the most exciting Everton team this century in terms of the actual football that was played. It was absolute rubbish at the end, but I've done a much better job of scrubbing that from my brain.
4. Moyes (Mk 2) - Could slip down depending on how this season goes, but Moyes Mk 2 feels like he'll give us a couple of seasons of stability and a slow climb up the table. No bad thing considering the names underneath couldn't manage that.
5. Dyche - Came in when we looked utterly cooked, fulfilled the brief of keeping us up, left when we looked utterly cooked. He's so high on this list because I can't see how anyone other than Moyes and maybe Carlo deals with the point deduction. I guess we also have that mad Brighton game where we scored for fun and the Merseyside derby win?
6. Silva - Felt like he cared about the club, got some pretty memorable wins before the flame out in his second season, gave us Richarlison. Too much, too soon for him; glad he's doing well with Fulham.
7. Koeman - Above Allardyce purely because of the City game where Tom Davies turned into prime Ronaldinho for precisely one dribble. Clearly only came because Moshiri was paying over the odds and probably gets more of a pass as he was in before the wheels really came off in that era.
8. Allardyce - Like Dyche, did his job, but the football was unwatchable and it felt we got spanked for fun more often than not with him.
9. Smith - Honestly, don't really remember much about Smith's Everton. Maybe he should be higher because it didn't hurt me as much?
10 . Lampard - Talked a great game, but the one who Everton seemed to break the quickest. Once Plan A didn't work, just looked lost and all the games I remember from his time were the ones where we scraped a result we couldn't afford not to.
11. Benitez - I have fond, fond memories of that game where we beat Arsenal 2-1 because it was around my 30th, but Christ, that whole season was a disaster. Should never have been near the role, glad that everyone seems to have agreed to forget it ever happened.
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Totally agree re Smith, I’m 47 so no spring chicken but the Smith years seem a bit of a void in my memory… other than Camp ell winner… don’t recall much off hand 😂 whereas 94, 95 and 97 seared into my memory, plus of course the 80’s glory years (just!)
 

Ancelotti may have been the best manager out of them all by a long way, and the first half of the covid season was one of the best half seasons weve had in the PL era (except for maybe 04-05). But the 2nd half of that season was poor and we ended in 10th.

Ancelotti had a lot of resources and did worse than average in my opinion. His name definitely influencing how high he is on some people's lists rather than how he actually did whilst he was here.
 
What a list....

Not counting Moyes the sequel as he's only just started and I think everyone deep down knew he'd do enough to keep the club up when he returned. Think he can get this club 9th-10th this season which would be good progress and get him mid table in the list.

Moyes first time and Carlo are comfortable top 2. I think for Ancelotti it is a real shame covid hit when Goodison was starting to bounce. Imagine the momentum with James and others running the show in those fantastic home wins in early 20/21 with 40k there to feed off it. Instead it was just empty stands and eventually the home results tailed off. Also not like Carlo had untold riches, halfway that season Josh King came in on a cheap contract when injuries hit upfront.

Beyond that I think you rank Martinez, Koeman and Silva on how much you enjoyed their first seasons (which were the highlight of all of their spells) and how badly you thought they left the inheritance. So on that basis I'd rank Martinez the highest as 13/14 had great spells of football and finishing above Man. United for the first time in decades and while the next two were underwhelming he just left at the end of 15/16.

Koeman and Silva both sacked after 10-15 games with team in bottom three so not great at all considering the money spent especially Silva as likes of Richarlison and Mina came in summer 2019 so should've had a far better start.

Personally I hated the Walter Smith era bar 99/00 which at least had some high scoring games. All the other seasons were dull and pretty dreadful and I think he would've taken the club down but for Super Kev having his issues in Turkey and being an unexpected success.

Someone said he had no money on page 1....in summer 1998 he signed Marco Materazzi for 2.8m, Dacourt for 4m and John Collins for 2.5m and high wages. Then in summer 2000 Nyarko signed for 4.5m. Big fees in those times and he also had a fetish for past it players. Richard Gough did a good job for a time but Gazza, Ginola and others didn't.

I'd put him penultimate to FSW. Lampard and Dyche had their limits and it got bad very quickly under both but they did both the remit of keeping the club clinging on to prem status from difficult positions which was critical with the move to BMD on the horizon so I think history will look back on their spells a little more kindly if the club can be more successful in next five years.
 

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