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knowing your history
Player Valuation: £35m
23/24 was an odd one. Traditional poor start under him and then the big points deductions. However everyone at that point could see Sheffield United were useless and Burnley no better. Luton gave it a go but ran out of steam by February. All in all relegation never really looked likely that season.
Where Dyche deserves serious credit is stopping up in 22/23. He came in as Gordon was being sold and Danjuma move was botched so actually had a weaker squad to work with than Lampard did. Made a brilliant short term move to get Doucoure back and somehow beat Arsenal in his first game. To stay up over a Leicester side that had all of Tielemans, Barnes and Maddison as regular starters was an achievement. Look at those three being regular starters for clubs pushing for top 6 every year and also now the state Leicester are in, could've easily been this club now in BMD which would be terrible.
However then deciding Doucoure should be a starter for the next two seasons and fetish for wide players like Jack Harrison is why Dyche couldn't kick on and be a Moyes type for this club and the original had to be brought back. I'd rank him about 6th in the list tbh.
windymiller
Player Valuation: £70m
Weird, especially considering how critical you are of other individuals at the club.….no, not at all
windymiller
Player Valuation: £70m
Not caring about the outcome and getting paid enormous sums of money can have a very calming effect.
Duncan's Donuts
Player Valuation: £2.5m
1. Moyes 1 - overachieved (re: budget) most seasons for 11 years, which few managers ever do. Hated the 'knife to a gunfight' mentality, but to be fair, it was true, and his pragmatism was the basis for the overachievement. The football was dour at times but was very good in patches, especially towards the end. Chosen by whisky nose, when Utd at the time probably could have appointed almost anyone. Tarnished his legacy a bit with his derisory bid for Baines and Fellaini and subsequent comments.
2. Ancelotti - highest win % and points % on the list. Moyes only beats him because he stayed long enough to demonstrate consistency. The best manager in history, this was the only genuinely thrilling time to be an Everton fan since 87. Turned DCL briefly into Inzaghi. Beat the RS at Mordor for the first time in Donkey's years: sipped his tea and raised an eyebrow like it should be normal. I don't blame him for going to Real - he's not an idiot. He would have had other offers before that, so I doubt he took the first chance of escape.
3. Martinez - went downhill quickly but 13/14 was a beautiful season. We played brilliant football at times, made some great signings, and there was a joy about us that was a sharp contrast with the Moyes years. Stupid philosophy and bizarre hyperbole became unbearable when we were shipping goals and flirting with relegation for the first time in years.
4. Moyes 2 - too soon to say really, but an immediate and obvious improvement on Dyche with the same players. Echoes of the same improvement he achieved last time.
5. Silva - had us playing some good stuff. Should have been given more time imo but had some very poor results and if the club knew they could get Carlo in, it probably made sense.
6. Dyche - 48 points in very difficult circumstances: we were in proper basket case mode at the time and the PSR stuff and points deductions must have been very destabilising. A very limited manager who quickly ran out of ideas and steam, and the football was turgid.
7. Koeman - couldn't stand him. Delusionally arrogant and disrespectful towards the club. Started the rot.
8. Allardyce - hated him and his little henchman being at the club. Football was truly awful.
9. Smith - Dreadful period in the club's history. Completely out of his depth.
10. Lampard - nice enough guy but probably the most incompetent manager we've ever had, with the possible exception of Mike Walker. Somehow scraped survival in spite of being utter dross and seemed to think it was a massive achievement.
11. FSW. Shameful.
2. Ancelotti - highest win % and points % on the list. Moyes only beats him because he stayed long enough to demonstrate consistency. The best manager in history, this was the only genuinely thrilling time to be an Everton fan since 87. Turned DCL briefly into Inzaghi. Beat the RS at Mordor for the first time in Donkey's years: sipped his tea and raised an eyebrow like it should be normal. I don't blame him for going to Real - he's not an idiot. He would have had other offers before that, so I doubt he took the first chance of escape.
3. Martinez - went downhill quickly but 13/14 was a beautiful season. We played brilliant football at times, made some great signings, and there was a joy about us that was a sharp contrast with the Moyes years. Stupid philosophy and bizarre hyperbole became unbearable when we were shipping goals and flirting with relegation for the first time in years.
4. Moyes 2 - too soon to say really, but an immediate and obvious improvement on Dyche with the same players. Echoes of the same improvement he achieved last time.
5. Silva - had us playing some good stuff. Should have been given more time imo but had some very poor results and if the club knew they could get Carlo in, it probably made sense.
6. Dyche - 48 points in very difficult circumstances: we were in proper basket case mode at the time and the PSR stuff and points deductions must have been very destabilising. A very limited manager who quickly ran out of ideas and steam, and the football was turgid.
7. Koeman - couldn't stand him. Delusionally arrogant and disrespectful towards the club. Started the rot.
8. Allardyce - hated him and his little henchman being at the club. Football was truly awful.
9. Smith - Dreadful period in the club's history. Completely out of his depth.
10. Lampard - nice enough guy but probably the most incompetent manager we've ever had, with the possible exception of Mike Walker. Somehow scraped survival in spite of being utter dross and seemed to think it was a massive achievement.
11. FSW. Shameful.
smileychap
Player Valuation: £15m
Yup, this stint and fat Sam's recovery job post koeman"s waste we're vital. Sam saddled us with that Tosun striker though....
Dyche's recovery was done on a shoe string, comparatively, twice. Only decent signing under his stunt was Ndiaye.
Good post that. I do respect the anti Alladyce / Dyche votes though as I'm not a regular at the games. Must've been horrible taking kids though that. Those managers were only cleaning up BK and Mosh's mess, though.
smileychap
Player Valuation: £15m
Enjoyed this. Would bump a couple around but sentiment and achievements spot on..
Lampard has done ok at championship level and I think respected the club enormously. Used that and the fans impact at GP.
Interesting re Silva. Grabbed him too soon IMHO. Done ok since.
Martinez yeah, got a tune out of Steven Naysmith. Still doesn't understand defence. Him and Koeman started the rot, agree. Koeman Walsh, BK, Mosh. Awful.
Duncan's Donuts
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Yeah I could make a case for swapping a couple too. Silva did well at all his clubs before us as well. We're the only team he hasn't significantly improved in his career.
Charlie Sweet
Player Valuation: £35m
- Ancelotti
- Martinez
- Moyes (mark 2)
- Royle
- Silva
- Koeman
- Moyes (mark 1)
- Smith
- Dyche
- Lampard
- Allardyce
- Benitez
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £70m
Koeman and Benitez on their own different galaxy for me.
I dont like the culture that set in, during Moyes first tenure.. "knives to a gunfight", the milking of "The People's Club", just feel were still struggling to shake it off now.
But that said, hes absolutely miles ahead of the rest, just because outside of the negative mentality, he took us from relegation fodder to consistently top half.
1. Moyes - 1st Spell
2. Marco Silva - loved the fella
3. Martinez (first season amazing, the rest was diabolical, bar the Europa run)
4. Ancelotti - sold a dream, left us at first opportunity, one of greatest managers to ever live, just not what we needed
5. Dyche - above Lampard, because despite the woeful tactics, he still had tactics and had two point deductions
6. Smith - the fellas system had an eye for a cracking signing, but I lost count of how many times we played 6-4-0 in games. The man knew the big occasion, the club shafted him selling a few players, and we all hoped itd be a roaring success and it was all just a damp squib. That aboro game in the cup far outscored Wigan when we got dumped out. Grateful for him insisting we hired Moyes and not Gary Megson, like BK wanted.
A good man, just not a good Everton manager. RIP Walter.
7. Lampard - great fella, great values, saw just how big the club was. Just his tactics were poor, there was zero urgency, it was dour.
8. Allardyce - forgot about him. His legacy included Mangala, £24m Tosun & Walcott. Couldn't be arsed going to Limassol, an arrogant fella, used our name to get his greedy hands on more jobs. No one has had a higher finish than him, since he's left... depressing.
=10. Koeman & Benitez.
the sheer arrogance of Koeman was just staggering. The money we spent bringing him here, and he just didnt care. Golfed over training, uninterested half the time. Just a horrible human. I was excited, but knew his track record and yeah.
Benitez - you cant hire someone whos got such a history of negatives with the club and a fella who had such riches across the park. The fella was dealt a raw hand, with the money drying up, but my christ be was diabolical. The fella like Allardyce and Koeman is just arrogant.
Brighton away was a brilliant performance i can remember away from home... followed by him rolling the carpet out in a Derby at Goodison, and that performance against Norwich.
I dont like the culture that set in, during Moyes first tenure.. "knives to a gunfight", the milking of "The People's Club", just feel were still struggling to shake it off now.
But that said, hes absolutely miles ahead of the rest, just because outside of the negative mentality, he took us from relegation fodder to consistently top half.
1. Moyes - 1st Spell
2. Marco Silva - loved the fella
3. Martinez (first season amazing, the rest was diabolical, bar the Europa run)
4. Ancelotti - sold a dream, left us at first opportunity, one of greatest managers to ever live, just not what we needed
5. Dyche - above Lampard, because despite the woeful tactics, he still had tactics and had two point deductions
6. Smith - the fellas system had an eye for a cracking signing, but I lost count of how many times we played 6-4-0 in games. The man knew the big occasion, the club shafted him selling a few players, and we all hoped itd be a roaring success and it was all just a damp squib. That aboro game in the cup far outscored Wigan when we got dumped out. Grateful for him insisting we hired Moyes and not Gary Megson, like BK wanted.
A good man, just not a good Everton manager. RIP Walter.
7. Lampard - great fella, great values, saw just how big the club was. Just his tactics were poor, there was zero urgency, it was dour.
8. Allardyce - forgot about him. His legacy included Mangala, £24m Tosun & Walcott. Couldn't be arsed going to Limassol, an arrogant fella, used our name to get his greedy hands on more jobs. No one has had a higher finish than him, since he's left... depressing.
=10. Koeman & Benitez.
the sheer arrogance of Koeman was just staggering. The money we spent bringing him here, and he just didnt care. Golfed over training, uninterested half the time. Just a horrible human. I was excited, but knew his track record and yeah.
Benitez - you cant hire someone whos got such a history of negatives with the club and a fella who had such riches across the park. The fella was dealt a raw hand, with the money drying up, but my christ be was diabolical. The fella like Allardyce and Koeman is just arrogant.
Brighton away was a brilliant performance i can remember away from home... followed by him rolling the carpet out in a Derby at Goodison, and that performance against Norwich.
barneygumble
Player Valuation: £70m
Koeman and Benitez on their own different galaxy for me.
I dont like the culture that set in, during Moyes first tenure.. "knives to a gunfight", the milking of "The People's Club", just feel were still struggling to shake it off now.
But that said, hes absolutely miles ahead of the rest, just because outside of the negative mentality, he took us from relegation fodder to consistently top half.
1. Moyes - 1st Spell
2. Marco Silva - loved the fella
3. Martinez (first season amazing, the rest was diabolical, bar the Europa run)
4. Ancelotti - sold a dream, left us at first opportunity, one of greatest managers to ever live, just not what we needed
5. Dyche - above Lampard, because despite the woeful tactics, he still had tactics and had two point deductions
6. Smith - the fellas system had an eye for a cracking signing, but I lost count of how many times we played 6-4-0 in games. The man knew the big occasion, the club shafted him selling a few players, and we all hoped itd be a roaring success and it was all just a damp squib. That aboro game in the cup far outscored Wigan when we got dumped out. Grateful for him insisting we hired Moyes and not Gary Megson, like BK wanted.
A good man, just not a good Everton manager. RIP Walter.
7. Lampard - great fella, great values, saw just how big the club was. Just his tactics were poor, there was zero urgency, it was dour.
8. Allardyce - forgot about him. His legacy included Mangala, £24m Tosun & Walcott. Couldn't be arsed going to Limassol, an arrogant fella, used our name to get his greedy hands on more jobs. No one has had a higher finish than him, since he's left... depressing.
=10. Koeman & Benitez.
the sheer arrogance of Koeman was just staggering. The money we spent bringing him here, and he just didnt care. Golfed over training, uninterested half the time. Just a horrible human. I was excited, but knew his track record and yeah.
Benitez - you cant hire someone whos got such a history of negatives with the club and a fella who had such riches across the park. The fella was dealt a raw hand, with the money drying up, but my christ be was diabolical. The fella like Allardyce and Koeman is just arrogant.
Brighton away was a brilliant performance i can remember away from home... followed by him rolling the carpet out in a Derby at Goodison, and that performance against Norwich.
Moyes second spell to be confirmed.
I dont like the culture that set in, during Moyes first tenure.. "knives to a gunfight", the milking of "The People's Club", just feel were still struggling to shake it off now.
But that said, hes absolutely miles ahead of the rest, just because outside of the negative mentality, he took us from relegation fodder to consistently top half.
1. Moyes - 1st Spell
2. Marco Silva - loved the fella
3. Martinez (first season amazing, the rest was diabolical, bar the Europa run)
4. Ancelotti - sold a dream, left us at first opportunity, one of greatest managers to ever live, just not what we needed
5. Dyche - above Lampard, because despite the woeful tactics, he still had tactics and had two point deductions
6. Smith - the fellas system had an eye for a cracking signing, but I lost count of how many times we played 6-4-0 in games. The man knew the big occasion, the club shafted him selling a few players, and we all hoped itd be a roaring success and it was all just a damp squib. That aboro game in the cup far outscored Wigan when we got dumped out. Grateful for him insisting we hired Moyes and not Gary Megson, like BK wanted.
A good man, just not a good Everton manager. RIP Walter.
7. Lampard - great fella, great values, saw just how big the club was. Just his tactics were poor, there was zero urgency, it was dour.
8. Allardyce - forgot about him. His legacy included Mangala, £24m Tosun & Walcott. Couldn't be arsed going to Limassol, an arrogant fella, used our name to get his greedy hands on more jobs. No one has had a higher finish than him, since he's left... depressing.
=10. Koeman & Benitez.
the sheer arrogance of Koeman was just staggering. The money we spent bringing him here, and he just didnt care. Golfed over training, uninterested half the time. Just a horrible human. I was excited, but knew his track record and yeah.
Benitez - you cant hire someone whos got such a history of negatives with the club and a fella who had such riches across the park. The fella was dealt a raw hand, with the money drying up, but my christ be was diabolical. The fella like Allardyce and Koeman is just arrogant.
Brighton away was a brilliant performance i can remember away from home... followed by him rolling the carpet out in a Derby at Goodison, and that performance against Norwich.
Moyes second spell to be confirmed.
Marcus Kendall
Player Valuation: £35m
How have you got Smith that high up?
Marcus Kendall
Player Valuation: £35m
badloaf
Player Valuation: £6m
That bottom six is as miserable a group as you could find, and demonstrates exactly why our fanbase has become so mentally distraught over the last 25 years.
Duncan's Donuts
Player Valuation: £2.5m
Yes, unarguable in my view.
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