Ranking Everton Managers This Century

[Groucho]

Mainly because Koeman absolutely destroyed this club.

He and Martinez started the rot imo, although at least Martinez tried to aim for the top.

Silva was the right man at the wrong time, Lampard was pleasant but useless, Benitez was a proven winner but wrong on so many levels however kudos to both us and him for at least giving it a try, took balls on both ours and his parts, Allardyce did what was asked of him entirely unspectacularly and Ancelotti, while great at one point, totally left us in the lurch at the first chance he got.

Dyche for me did better than expected, kept us up in six months, then had to do the same with two points deductions given for reasons he had no hand in creating, all while with no money to spend and an absent board.

Then my hero and saviour, David Moyes MBE. Tremendous guy, love him. Whatta man. Whatta mighty good man.

 

[derek duvall]

Third best in 60+ years, I believe you called it. Just so I understand the calculus, which of our trophies in that time period was Dyche's "achievement" better than?

The dychette’s were completely delusional. They hailed him as a messiah for managing to beat Luton Town, Sheffield United and Burnley and keeping us the league. Big achievement apparently though

 

[derek duvall]

Mainly because Koeman absolutely destroyed this club.

He was given a war chest by Moshiri and on top of that had the money from Lukaku Barkley and Stones to go and get whoever he wanted. He also had Europe to attract them.

He gave us Schneiderlin, Bolasie, Ashley Williams, Klaassen, Siggurdson, Rooney, Sandro, Michael Keane, Cuco Martina and Vlasic.

In amongst that rubbish he did give us Pickford, Gueye, Calvert Lewin and Lookman but that hardly makes us for the damage inflicted.

Those players were on 5 year contracts on mega high wages, some of them didn’t even want to be here, I don’t think he even wanted to be here, and he only showed the slightest bit of care about the job he had when he was eventually fired.

All that money spent and he was playing back 5s with Pennington in and Calvert Lewin as right wing back. Tom Davies was outshining all those other midfielders.

Those players left us in an FFP hole that hampered every manager since and we’re only just starting to come out the other end now. What an opportunity he had in Europe with all that money behind him and he put us in a relegation battle and ensured we were ruined for years.

In contrast Benitez actually cleared a lot of FFP mess out the tube by selling players and only bringing in Gray and Townsend. Yes it didn’t work but he didn’t saddle the club with 100s of millions of pounds of multi year problems.

No. It was that parasite Farhad.

 

[Groucho]

The dychette’s were completely delusional. They hailed him as a messiah for managing to beat Luton Town, Sheffield United and Burnley and keeping us the league. Big achievement apparently though

For me he was the right tool for the job.

Considering the circumstances he had I think he did a decent job. No more, no less.

 

[wearethefamousefc]

Moyes mark 1 was given a long, long time and did a big job for us but I feel he traded too much on the "underdogs - knife to gunfight" mentality and limited our ambition. Koeman demanded the best, it didn't work out but the ambition was there.

I've a better feeling about Moyes mark 2

Moyes took over a basket case of a club that was circling the drain for years and included gazza and ginola in the ranks. He changed the mentality of the club completely and brought in players with a great attitude. All on a meagre budget. Yes he hit a ceiling but we were miles ahead of when he came in

Koeman brought disharmony between the players and some shocking player recruitment on a lavish budget.

 

[windymiller]

…..I think history might show that keeping our top flight status against all the odds (2 points deductions, no board, absent owner, poor squad et al) was a significant achievement in itself.

I dread to think what might have happened had we dropped that season, it could be Dyche was the right man at the right time. Clearly mine is a contrary view but I’ll always be grateful to him for getting us through that very dark season.

I know that's your opinion, you've expressed it many times, I would still like to know which league titles, FA cup wins and Cup Winners cup victories were lesser achievements, in your opinion?

 

[Eggs]

I know that's your opinion, you've expressed it many times, I would still like to know which league titles, FA cup wins and Cup Winners cup victories were lesser achievements, in your opinion?

…..the thread asks ‘best manager this century’, I don’t think any have won a trophy

 

[windymiller]

…..the thread asks ‘best manager this century’, I don’t think any have won a trophy

The thread does ask that, I don't care about this thread, it's a tallest dwarf competition. I care about your statement that Dyche's performance is the third best managerial achievement in your lifetime, which I have estimated at 60+ years. In that time we have won four league titles, three FA cups and a cup winners cup. Which five of those are lower achievements than finishing above Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United, in your opinion, please?

 

[Eggs]

The thread does ask that, I don't care about this thread, it's a tallest dwarf competition. I care about your statement that Dyche's performance is the third best managerial achievement in your lifetime, which I have estimated at 60+ years. In that time we have won four league titles, three FA cups and a cup winners cup. Which five of those are lower achievements than finishing above Luton, Burnley and Sheffield United, in your opinion, please?

….i’ve explained my reasoning lots. I’m fortunate to have seen us win everything from 1963 onwards, Catterick and Kendall built great sides but outside of that I believe it was some achievement to keep us in the league that season we got two points deductions and so many other things happening off the pitch.

That’s it really

 

[Noble Savage]

Hate to say it but the great , gravy guzzler should be in the top half in hindsight . Pretty much sums up our recent history.

 

[windymiller]

….i’ve explained my reasoning lots. I’m fortunate to have seen us win everything from 1963 onwards, Catterick and Kendall built great sides but outside of that I believe it was some achievement to keep us in the league that season we got two points deductions and so many other things happening off the pitch.

That’s it really

I see, you consider a manager's whole tenure as their "achievement", not individual seasons. Fair enough. In which case, doesn't Dyche giving up in his final season with us, "taken us as far as he can" was the widely reported statement to the new ownership, not affect your views of his "achievement" at all?

 

[Eggs]

I see, you consider a manager's whole tenure as their "achievement", not individual seasons. Fair enough. In which case, doesn't Dyche giving up in his final season with us, "taken us as far as he can" was the widely reported statement to the new ownership, not affect your views of his "achievement" at all?

….no, not at all

 

[Cels]

1. Moyes Mk1
2. Martinez
3. Ancelotti
4. Moyes Mk2
5. Allardyce
6. Silva
7. Dyche
8. Smith
9. Koeman
10. Lampard
11. Benitez

 

[cantlivewithem]

….Dyche’s achievement in keeping us up with 2 points deductions, a non-existent Board and absent owner was terrific. He should always be remembered for that. He was never able to progress from that and Moyes’ certainly improved results with the same squad.

Any credit Dyche may have been due has been totally wiped away by Moyes 2nd tenure. Dyche seemed like he achieved by keeping Everton just out of relegation because he followed the disaster spells of Benitez and Lampard. He created the illusion that Everton getting 38 points was the maximum achievable because the team was so poor. He continued with that rhetoric last season during the first 19 games until Moyes took over the team for the last 19 games and blew that out of the water.

We have not had a great team over the last four seasons but it wasn't bad enough to have finished 16th 17th and 15th, it was the managers in charge that are responsible for that. Moyes had the same team performing like a top 8 team. If we are to give Dyche any credit at all then we have to say the top two managers of the 2000s are Moyes at 1 and 2 because if Dyche was doing a decent job then what Moyes did last season was miraculous

 

[ChesterBlue]

Moyes mk1
Martinez
Silva
Ancelotti
Koeman
Allardyce
Smith (don’t remember much of him as I was pretty young tbf)
Dyche
Lampard
Benitez

Not added in Moyes mk2 as he hasn’t even had a full season yet