Benicetoourboys
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Cheerful thread this!
Near Death Experiences
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The last 'case' in the Case History link is from Dr Eben Alexander who is/was a world reknowned neurosurgeon and who before he had his own NDE would have, by his own admission, have dismissed and patronised anyone who thought we aren't the most sophisticated beings to have ever existed and 'there is nothing else' (but science, in particular medical science). He wrote about his NDE in a book called Proof of Heaven - as well as his experience changing his own life, his sharing of his experience has helped countless others including those trying to make sense of their grief of loss of a loved one.
Are NDEs 'real'? They're more real than the nose on your face...
Dense in the head and can’t spell is what he told me he said
Did you Rift in and out of consciousness?
Tommy Chong
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Had a few close calls while trying to perfect this jump:
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Yeah... There's not a chance in hell I'd be attempting that, lads!
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Yeah... There's not a chance in hell I'd be attempting that, lads!
I will hold my hands up here.. it was a little bit more than flirting … but not actually cheating levels…. Just incase you think Mrs k is an unreasonable, overprotective, jealous, danger to life (yeah) , I may have been slightly at fault
Thankfully never had one, hope I never do.
As far as I’m aware we are still unable to pinpoint exactly where in the mind consciousness ‘is’, and we certainly don’t have an explanation for how it came about. Until science can give a coherent answer for both, I don’t mind entertaining the idea that these experiences may be more than just a flood of neurotransmitters before the lights go out.
As far as I’m aware we are still unable to pinpoint exactly where in the mind consciousness ‘is’, and we certainly don’t have an explanation for how it came about. Until science can give a coherent answer for both, I don’t mind entertaining the idea that these experiences may be more than just a flood of neurotransmitters before the lights go out.
magicjuan
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Similar on M6 when I was 15. Car swerved in front we counter swerved, flipped onto the roof, miraculously through a gap in the central barriers across the other side of the motorway and into the embankment obviously still upside down, missing a juggernaut by about 15 yards.
I remember being completely calm and the everything went black, but I was still conscious or aware.
My uncle, (driver), broken neck, mum & auntie cuts minor fractures, my brother was thrown out the back window when we hit the embankment.The luggage on the roof rack cushioned everything.
I remember too knowing throughout ( just seconds but slowed right down) that 'it wasn't my time'.
I didn't have a mark on me but I didn't start driving till I was in my 40s.
Bryan+
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I put me hand in my daughters lap to keep her In her seat as her airbag popped and window shattered and stayed miraculously calm. Still can’t believe we survived it tbh, should have been a wipe out.
magicjuan
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Same here. To this day don't know how we all survived. I can still remember the calm, vividly.
JimmyJeffers
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Was on HMS Glamorgan when it was hit by an Exocet missile during the Falklands war. The guy who slept above me was killed along with other lads. Would have been a lot worse but the warhead didn’t explode. RIP lads.
You know, there's a long held view that when someone says something like "I didn't believe in ghosts, but then I saw one and now I'm a believer", they are being a bit disingenuous.Eternea
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The last 'case' in the Case History link is from Dr Eben Alexander who is/was a world reknowned neurosurgeon and who before he had his own NDE would have, by his own admission, have dismissed and patronised anyone who thought we aren't the most sophisticated beings to have ever existed and 'there is nothing else' (but science, in particular medical science). He wrote about his NDE in a book called Proof of Heaven - as well as his experience changing his own life, his sharing of his experience has helped countless others including those trying to make sense of their grief of loss of a loved one.
Are NDEs 'real'? They're more real than the nose on your face...
The fact the book is called "proof of heaven" leads me to believe he is very much religious, and took little convincing.
If someone genuinely doesn't believe in something, they don't tend to change their entire belief system based on a single tenuous instance/experience. Especially a neurosurgeon. The logical first step would be "oh, I had a really weird near death experience. As a neurosurgeon, I'm going to look into the neurological signals sent as you die and see if there is something that causes these weird hallucinations". They don't immediately go "I SAW GOD!!!!".
I don't believe in ghosts. If I saw "something", I wouldn't say I saw a ghost, by the very nature I don't believe in them. It would take multiple people witnessing the same thing with me, where there is no other possible explanation, for me to consider changing my view.
Edit: some info from wiki.
The book was a commercial success but also was the subject of scientific critique in relation to neurology, such as medically induced coma and brain death.[1][10][11] A 2013 article in Esquire magazine refuted claims made in the book.[1][10] The doctor who treated Alexander stated that certain details might not be true, such as claims Alexander made about speaking clearly at times he would have been intubated.[1] The Esquire article also reported that Alexander had been terminated or suspended from multiple hospital positions, and had been the subject of several malpractice lawsuits and that he settled five malpractice suits in Virginia within a period of ten years.[1][12]
Among the discrepancies, was that Alexander had written the cause of his coma was bacterial meningitis, despite his doctor telling the reporter that he had been conscious and hallucinating before being placed in a medically induced coma.[1][13] In a statement responding to the criticism, Alexander maintained that his representation of the experience was truthful and that he believed in the message contained in his book. He also claimed that the Esquire article "cherry-picked" information about his past to discredit his accounts of the event.[13]
Proof of Heaven was also criticized by scientists, including Sam Harris, who described Alexander's NDE account on his blog as "alarmingly unscientific", and that claims of experiencing visions while his cerebral cortex was shut down demonstrated a failure to acknowledge existing brain science with little evidence prove otherwise.[14] Neurologist and writer Oliver Sacks agreed with Harris, and argued that Alexander had failed to recognize that the experience could have been the result of his cortex returning to full function at the outset of his coma, rather than a supernatural experience.[15] In 2012 Alexander responded to critics in a second Newsweek article,[16] where he said that he vividly remembers having periods of hallucination and explains that there was a massive difference between them and his 'fully immersive' visions of the afterlife. Alexander describes the hallucinations in his book, saying that they were disjointed and centred around both random events and his doctors. He then compares them to the "hyper-real" experience of the afterlife, and says they do not match up. He also made a prediction in his book that secular critics, which included himself before his coma, would attempt to discredit him and his experience without looking into it properly.
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