Transfer Rumour Douglas Luiz

[Eggsyblueskin]

If that were all it is we'd all be professional footballers

If all the professional footballers vanished overnight , the world would survive .
They are part of the leisure and entertainment industry.
The world would survive and prosper without them .

 

[Gilbert..]

Depends what you're doing as a player though, doesn't it? Would Mo Salah really have needed an agent to negotiate a contract extension for example?

Could you not appoint an agent to find sponsorship deals and endorsements but tell them to jog on when you're negotaiting a new contract? I'm not even sure they're needed to engineer transfer moves tbh. I'd seriously just consider having a few Journalist's in my pocket if I was a premier league player, it'd be a lot cheaper than giving some of these leeches the massive percentages they get.

Well that was my point tbh. Players like salah and de bruyne have companies throwing telephone numbers at them to put their names to their brand. They dont need to go chasing. I suppose all they need is someone who handles all the offers as they cant be arsed(PA) Someone like say james garner isnt getting the same and unless he's out there pitching himself his agent is. Theres far more garners than salahs.
Its said footballers arent the brightest but i doubt even they would employ someone just to do club/players contract negotiations every 2/3 years. Might aswell just get a lawyer or the PFA union.
An agent must be bringing them in money outside of just contracts.

 

[John from Bootle]

Well that was my point tbh. Players like salah and de bruyne have companies throwing telephone numbers at them to put their names to their brand. They dont need to go chasing. I suppose all they need is someone who handles all the offers as they cant be arsed. Someone like say james garner isnt getting the same and unless he's out there pitching himself his agent is. Theres far more garners than salahs.
Its said footballers arent the brightest but i doubt even they would employ someone just to do club/players contract negotiations every 2/3 years. Might aswell just get a lawyer or the PFA union.
An agent must be bringing them in money outside of just contracts.

Yeah, but like I said, is there no way you could employ an agency to just handle sponsorships and endorsements? There's probably loads who do just that, we wouldn't know. I just find it strange you'd hand somebody a huge percentage of a transfer fee, especially if you're a top player, when you could just appoint somebody with legal expertise, on an hourly rate, and they then become de facto agents. Pretty sure they'd have the brains to send some emails out if you wanted to gauge interest from other clubs.

But hey, what do I know, just find it an interesting topic. Mainly because I hate them barstewards taking the sums they do.

 

[Toffeepot]

If all the professional footballers vanished overnight , the world would survive .
They are part of the leisure and entertainment industry.
The world would survive and prosper without them .

Depends what you mean by prosper? Entertainment at the high end always earns big bucks coz people want it in their lives. You are forgetting about the many footballers who earn a living wage.
I don't want to live in a world without entertainment, and if the money is generated, I'd rather the players got it than the suits

 

[Gilbert..]

Yeah, but like I said, is there no way you could employ an agency to just handle sponsorships and endorsements? There's probably loads who do just that, we wouldn't know. I just find it strange you'd hand somebody a huge percentage of a transfer fee, especially if you're a top player, when you could just appoint somebody with legal expertise, on an hourly rate, and they then become de facto agents. Pretty sure they'd have the brains to send some emails out if you wanted to gauge interest from other clubs.

But hey, what do I know, just find it an interesting topic. Mainly because I hate them barstewards taking the sums they do.

Well bar the exception of one or two who dont have them all of them seem to. So either players are thick as mince or they have them for a valid reason.

 

[jazzy]

so you’d have the likes of Cole palmer or Grealish , ravel Morrison , Rooney and the rest doing there only deals with a solicitor to advise ? The same profession that would almost certainly advise them to say no comment if they found themselves in a legal crisis ?

What percentage of top level footballers do you think have agents, High 90’s ? Im
Not suggesting you couldn’t do your own contract im sure you could but when it comes to the market it tends to find its level . If agents were a gigantic waste of money , even a damage to players careers I find it hard to believe it’d have survived even flourished for decades

Agents are total parasites. They suck huge amounts of money out of the game and contribute nothing.

It is beyond me why a club would ever pay an agents fee.

If a player wants to use an agent he and he alone should pay their exorbitant fees

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Depends what you mean by prosper? Entertainment at the high end always earns big bucks coz people want it in their lives. You are forgetting about the many footballers who earn a living wage.
I don't want to live in a world without entertainment, and if the money is generated, I'd rather the players got it than the suits

I’d rather ticket prices were affordable , and the majority of the money was returned to game , supporting grass roots clubs for instance .
Football was once the working man’s game , now attending matches is increasingly a middle class pursuit . Players wages drive prices upwards along with corporate ownership seeking profit for shareholders.

 

[Harryflashman]

Agents are total parasites. They suck huge amounts of money out of the game and contribute nothing.

It is beyond me why a club would ever pay an agents fee.

If a player wants to use an agent he and he alone should pay their exorbitant fees

I’m guessing because they want to sign the player in question or facilitate the transfer . We got Cahill because they refused to pay a fee and I think united looked to reduce payments when Moyes was appointed and missed out on pretty much all their targets . You wonder if their recent years might have looked different .

It’s hard to argue that agents are a benefit to the game but they exist and are now integral to how it operates .

Whether it’s sports agents , PR or brand managers in marketing, literary agents or estate agents it feels like all the fields would function fine without them but we’ll never find out as they’re all engrained in everyday life .

 

[Preki]

I’d rather ticket prices were affordable , and the majority of the money was returned to game , supporting grass roots clubs for instance .
Football was once the working man’s game , now attending matches is increasingly a middle class pursuit . Players wages drive prices upwards along with corporate ownership seeking profit for shareholders.

Bundesliga a good model I feel.

 

[Harryflashman]

I’d rather ticket prices were affordable , and the majority of the money was returned to game , supporting grass roots clubs for instance .
Football was once the working man’s game , now attending matches is increasingly a middle class pursuit . Players wages drive prices upwards along with corporate ownership seeking profit for shareholders.

I miss a lot of what football was about and it’s certainly not the working mans game .

However I think it’s easy to forget what football was like 70’s and 80’s . It was hardly family friendly back then was it ? We won the the league in the 80’s with average crowds of about 30,000 . Going away to boro or Luton , in fact anywhere , was hardly conducive to attracting fans . Also when we won it in 86/87 there was zero tv coverage , like zero .

I dislike what football has become but it’s not like it was a land of milk and honey back then .

 

[jazzy]

I’m guessing because they want to sign the player in question or facilitate the transfer . We got Cahill because they refused to pay a fee and I think united looked to reduce payments when Moyes was appointed and missed out on pretty much all their targets . You wonder if their recent years might have looked different .

It’s hard to argue that agents are a benefit to the game but they exist and are now integral to how it operates .

Whether it’s sports agents , PR or brand managers in marketing, literary agents or estate agents it feels like all the fields would function fine without them but we’ll never find out as they’re all engrained in everyday life .

Re your first paragraph - it's almost like blackmail ...." My player won't sign for you unless you also pay my fee".

I'd love clubs to call this bluff but the problem is that virtually all players and agents employ this practice.

 

[FinchFarmBlue]

I miss a lot of what football was about and it’s certainly not the working mans game .

However I think it’s easy to forget what football was like 70’s and 80’s . It was hardly family friendly back then was it ? We won the the league in the 80’s with average crowds of about 30,000 . Going away to boro or Luton , in fact anywhere , was hardly conducive to attracting fans . Also when we won it in 86/87 there was zero tv coverage , like zero .

I dislike what football has become but it’s not like it was a land of milk and honey back then .

Vg point that, we'd won the lg at Norwich on the BH Monday, played Luton the Saturday and still had to wait till the end of the match to lift the trophy amd only the 47k or so that where there got to see it live. Still have the Echo special with Rats and the old old trophy. Probs last time I sat in the Lowr Bullens as well thdt day.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

Bundesliga a good model I feel.

Over the years I have found myself attending more Bundesliga matches , especially since Union Berlin and St Pauli gained promotion .
While it has its own pressures and problems it is still striving to keep attending matches affordable for everyone.
So , yes , a better model and increasingly a far more enjoyable experience.
( Boss country too )

 

[Harryflashman]

Re your first paragraph - it's almost like blackmail ...." My player won't sign for you unless you also pay my fee".

I'd love clubs to call this bluff but the problem is that virtually all players and agents employ this practice.

Again you’re not wrong but why do we have about 100k estate agents in the uk ? You wanna buy my house and I wanna sell it , waste of money right ?

It’s never going to change in either case , part of life now really like death and taxes

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I miss a lot of what football was about and it’s certainly not the working mans game .

However I think it’s easy to forget what football was like 70’s and 80’s . It was hardly family friendly back then was it ? We won the the league in the 80’s with average crowds of about 30,000 . Going away to boro or Luton , in fact anywhere , was hardly conducive to attracting fans . Also when we won it in 86/87 there was zero tv coverage , like zero .

I dislike what football has become but it’s not like it was a land of milk and honey back then .

I loved football back then .
Best days of my life.
Every aspect of it was superior.
It was our game then .
We were supporters , now we’re consumers.
And the crowds may have been smaller but the atmosphere and noise generated dwarfs today’s efforts .