New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium


davek said:
There's a paradox at play: if you're a fan who hasn't been following a successful football club for years then success isn't demanded. And success is really the only 'justified' driver for higher ticket prices. Our fans know that success isn't going to be in their interests if measured by having the chance to experience the stadium more than maybe a couple times per season and keep their sense of belonging.

That'll certainly apply for the next couple of seasons at least as the novelty of the stadium is maintained. And that expectation should be recognised by the club owners.

It wont though. Early indications are that TFG are going to super exploit the stadium right from the off regardless of our circumstances. What's required is a sensitive determination re ticketing (price and competition for) of what's possible for a club that wont be getting back to success anytime soon.
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I agree with much of what you're saying Dave. However the fact of the matter is, if other clubs are happy to exploit demand for tickets then we simply have to follow suit. Not doing so would be something Bill would have done.

We need more than a regulator, imo. We need this national institution (English football) to be protected under the heritage act or something, imo. There was a feller on toffee tv once espousing the idea that the game should actually be nationalised, he made some great points and it wouldn't be something I'd outright dismiss as a bad idea, it would certainly have benefits.

I've been of the opinion that something drastic needs to happen since some clubs actually had their stadiums sold and had to rent them back. The fact that can happen should strike fear in to fans of every club in the country. Once a rogue owner is in place, or one who loses interest or takes some big financial hits, this could literally happen to any club in the country and there's nothing in place to stop it.

We're not far off American investors holding the 14 club share needed to get any rule through. It will become bedlam, legal cases galore, and the so-called regulator struggling to keep up with future plans. If they pre-empt many of the things I have concerns about then I will be happy, but I just can't see them pre-empting many, many things and then it will become tricky for them. Fans up and down the country need protecting from more than just ticket prices and kick-off times. We could do with having a truly competitive English game again for a start.
 
davek said:
It really is majestic.

Carpet bagger or no carpet bagger, it took an outsider like him to realise a dream.

I know the fans will pay for every penny of it one way or another, but Moshiri's determination was crucial in making this happen.

In the same way as James Clement Baxter's financial guarantee was enough to get Goodison built, so was Moshiri's for this one...although, of course, the comparisons stop there!
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This is true. Moshiri was a living nightmare for Everton, but history - because it looks at the bigger picture - will judge him as a significant figure and far more positively than his contemporaries (i.e., we who lived through his tenure) do.

Certainly, he is guaranteed a mention in our club's history book in the chapter on infrastructural achievements whereas Bill Kenwright, a mere footnote, if mentioned at all, will only appear if the subject of decline is broached.
 
John from Bootle said:
I agree with much of what you're saying Dave. However the fact of the matter is, if other clubs are happy to exploit demand for tickets then we simply have to follow suit. Not doing so would be something Bill would have done.

We need more than a regulator, imo. We need this national institution (English football) to be protected under the heritage act or something, imo. There was a feller on toffee tv once espousing the idea that the game should actually be nationalised, he made some great points and it wouldn't be something I'd outright dismiss as a bad idea, it would certainly have benefits.

I've been of the opinion that something drastic needs to happen since some clubs actually had their stadiums sold and had to rent them back. The fact that can happen should strike fear in to fans of every club in the country. Once a rogue owner is in place, or one who loses interest or takes some big financial hits, this could literally happen to any club in the country and there's nothing in place to stop it.

We're not far off American investors holding the 14 club share needed to get any rule through. It will become bedlam, legal cases galore, and the so-called regulator struggling to keep up with future plans. If they pre-empt many of the things I have concerns about then I will be happy, but I just can't see them pre-empting many, many things and then it will become tricky for them. Fans up and down the country need protecting from more than just ticket prices and kick-off times. We could do with having a truly competitive English game again for a start.
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I dont know about that.

It maybe an Evertonian conceit but I dont think we have ever been about that. Maybe it has a lot to do with the community around Walton and the recognition by the club over decades and decades that they had a responsibility to it and it acted as a hub for it. Under those circumstances it was a bit difficult to commercially exploit that population. But now we're in a new environment and there's no organic connection with any community...though that may come about in years to come....it probably becomes easier to. That's not to say they should though.

Regardless of geography we still have an identity of being a club supported by a certain class of supporter and the club itself should do as much as they can not to lose that identity or abuse it just because they can.
 

Drico said:
This is true. Moshiri was a living nightmare for Everton, but history - because it looks at the bigger picture - will judge him as a significant figure and far more positively than his contemporaries (i.e., we who lived through his tenure) do.

Certainly, he is guaranteed a mention in our club's history book in the chapter on infrastructural achievements whereas Bill Kenwright, a mere footnote, if mentioned at all, will only appear if the subject of decline is broached.
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Moshiri's going to be like Benny Hill: seen as an embarrassing clown in his pomp; regarded as a comic genius in retrospect. ;)
 
John from Bootle said:
I agree with much of what you're saying Dave. However the fact of the matter is, if other clubs are happy to exploit demand for tickets then we simply have to follow suit. Not doing so would be something Bill would have done.

We need more than a regulator, imo. We need this national institution (English football) to be protected under the heritage act or something, imo. There was a feller on toffee tv once espousing the idea that the game should actually be nationalised, he made some great points and it wouldn't be something I'd outright dismiss as a bad idea, it would certainly have benefits.

I've been of the opinion that something drastic needs to happen since some clubs actually had their stadiums sold and had to rent them back. The fact that can happen should strike fear in to fans of every club in the country. Once a rogue owner is in place, or one who loses interest or takes some big financial hits, this could literally happen to any club in the country and there's nothing in place to stop it.

We're not far off American investors holding the 14 club share needed to get any rule through. It will become bedlam, legal cases galore, and the so-called regulator struggling to keep up with future plans. If they pre-empt many of the things I have concerns about then I will be happy, but I just can't see them pre-empting many, many things and then it will become tricky for them. Fans up and down the country need protecting from more than just ticket prices and kick-off times. We could do with having a truly competitive English game again for a start.
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If Americans take over read the average prices in NFL and weep!!

I know that NFL matches are a longer 'occasion' for fans than soccer, but if the US investors do get in charge and can force through significantly higher ticket prices they will do just that.

No sentiment there I'm afraid.



Edit - link not working automatically but you are talking well over $300 per game with the Cowboys dearest, averaging $399.
 

Bluerover said:
If Americans take over read the average prices in NFL and weep!!

I know that NFL matches are a longer 'occasion' for fans than soccer, but if the US investors do get in charge and can force through significantly higher ticket prices they will do just that.

No sentiment there I'm afraid.



Edit - link not working automatically but you are talking well over $300 per game with the Cowboys dearest, averaging $399.
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Same with the NFL London games (although they're obviously milking a captive market). Check the tickets still remaining at Tottenham.
 
Bluerover said:
If Americans take over read the average prices in NFL and weep!!

I know that NFL matches are a longer 'occasion' for fans than soccer, but if the US investors do get in charge and can force through significantly higher ticket prices they will do just that.

No sentiment there I'm afraid.



Edit - link not working automatically but you are talking well over $300 per game with the Cowboys dearest, averaging $399.
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prices are nuts but it's worth remembering that there are only 8 regular season home games. (7 for some teams).
Also, not sure there's some super conspiracy for 14 US owners to work together. Maybe if there were no relegation but not otherwise
 
Bluerover said:
If Americans take over read the average prices in NFL and weep!!

I know that NFL matches are a longer 'occasion' for fans than soccer, but if the US investors do get in charge and can force through significantly higher ticket prices they will do just that.
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See also US ski resort day ticket prices ($289 at Park City, for example) vs expensive Austrian resorts (€76 in St Anton).
 

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