New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Tipp blue]

I dont dispute that. But it can and will destroy the host. It's in the process of doing that right now.

The vast majority of Liverpool fans are now estranged from their own club - they're only to be seen in events outside the stadium. Effectively shut out.

You can say that Everton are on the way to that now. In the past there was room for a bit of ingenuity to get people desperate to see a game or so to keep within the fold of being match going fans. That's about to change. The responsibility of those in control of our club governance is that they find ways to reverse the process - as much for their long term aim of exploiting the facility as much as fans threatened with exclusion.

We will go that way eventually, its not ideal but the sky clubs are there now the rest will follow eventually, the longer we resist this the further behind we will be left.. Might as well just go for it now when moving to the new ground instead of in 15 years time after everyone else.

 

[Double Negative]

Now that the stadium is built do we really need continued drone footage?

There’s little discernible change to the exterior now.

Time for the drone lads to find a new target?

I DON’T WANT GUITAR LESSONS…

 

[RinkyDinker]

If it was based on views I would have packed in a few years ago. I was hitting 20k views during the infill stage, I’m lucky to get 2k now.
Every man and his dog do them now.
I do it because of my obsession with the new stadium.

Very commendable mate. Cos the stadium is almost ‘complete’ doesn’t dilute any of your footage, especially when it’s put together with yours and other blues best interests at heart and it’s not about chasing ‘likes’. Still plenty more shots to capture in the weeks ahead.

 

[Amw79]

I dont dispute that. But it can and will destroy the host. It's in the process of doing that right now.

The vast majority of Liverpool fans are now estranged from their own club - they're only to be seen in events outside the stadium. Effectively shut out.

You can say that Everton are on the way to that now. In the past there was room for a bit of ingenuity to get people desperate to see a game or so to keep within the fold of being match going fans. That's about to change. The responsibility of those in control of our club governance is that they find ways to reverse the process - as much for their long term aim of exploiting the facility as much as fans threatened with exclusion.

Actually think you’re right about this, but objectively the RS have a business model which is extremely successful and lucrative, both on and off the pitch.

We boast about having the most number of season tickets within x miles of the ground, whereas they have thousands of people flying in every other week. Those once or twice a season visitors can be seen around town every week, carrying 4 bags of swag from the LIverpool shop. We have local fans who leave their house at 5 to 3, go the game, and go home. One business model will generate vast sums of money, the other will not.

Just come back from holiday, and spoke to about a dozen RS fans, none of whom were from LIverpool / Merseyside. Their international recognition and appeal has never been higher, and their model of a tourist fanbase is one which clubs will be desperate to replicate.

 

[Double Negative]

Good to see Stella on the menu at the new gaffView attachment 317415

Is that the West Stand? Hopefully they are doing gluten free in all the bars? I know someone who’ll be very happy…

 

[Fonzy]

Actually think you’re right about this, but objectively the RS have a business model which is extremely successful and lucrative, both on and off the pitch.

We boast about having the most number of season tickets within x miles of the ground, whereas they have thousands of people flying in every other week. Those once or twice a season visitors can be seen around town every week, carrying 4 bags of swag from the LIverpool shop. We have local fans who leave their house at 5 to 3, go the game, and go home. One business model will generate vast sums of money, the other will not.

Just come back from holiday, and spoke to about a dozen RS fans, none of whom were from LIverpool / Merseyside. Their international recognition and appeal has never been higher, and their model of a tourist fanbase is one which clubs will be desperate to replicate.

You meet other fans from other cities/clubs mention you’re a blue and you’re treated as a proper footballing fan.

A liverpool fan from say Croydon is getting a ‘well your not a proper fan’.

However TFG aim is to build the business/club and to do that i means getting tourist fans. Sadly to get successful you have to sell your soul.

 

[davek]

Liverpool's support has a similar socioeconomic demographic. They simply grew fans elsewhere. That's what we will do also if we are successful. The rupture is sadly inevitable as American businessmen are not known for social democracy, let alone socialism.

Im not sure there's an inevitability about it as I dint have the information concerning how other clubs have progressed on this matter. Is the Man City experience different given their different ownership, for example? IIRC they're season tickets are on average substantially lower than any of the other 'top 6' clubs - and Everton's at this new stadium. The ownership situation can determine a lot as much as 'market forces'.

 

[Drico]

I'm not a local fan, but instinctively I believe local fans should be the locus of support - the core - for any club. They give a club its social relevance: its soul.

However, the game was never going to be run for locals when it is owned by foreigners, played largely by foreigners, and funded by foreign eyeballs.

Club football used to be the most micro aspect of the world game. International football was more macro. That has now flipped. Next summer's World Cup teams will represent their peoples far more organically than any club side in the Premier League will.

I believe they call that "progress"...

 

[mahermi1]

I don't feel for them or there supporters...EVER.

The fans and club sold their soul a long time ago.

I worked with Scouse colleagues who opening openly told me they wanted Liverpool in the Super League and when told them it would ruin the English game and it pure madness they told me I was "jealous".

I agree there certainly needs to be some form of regulation otherwise it will become a runaway train.

I wanted them in superleague along with the rest of the scumbag teams, it would have made our league more fair and competitive.

 

[Neiler]

Anyone know when we get sent the location of our Stones?

 

[Drico]

Im not sure there's an inevitability about it as I dint have the information concerning how other clubs have progressed on this matter. Is the Man City experience different given their different ownership, for example? IIRC they're season tickets are on average substantially lower than any of the other 'top 6' clubs - and Everton's at this new stadium. The ownership situation can determine a lot as much as 'market forces'.

Well, City's owners are sportswashing. And they are eternally rich. They are buying people's fealty. People who should know better.

If it comes to a choice between being run by capitalist Americans who will slowly price out some locals and human rights-abusing despots who will keep prices low, then I know which is the bigger crime.

 

[davek]

Well, City's owners are sportswashing. And they are eternally rich. They are buying people's fealty. People who should know better.

If it comes to a choice between being run by capitalist Americans who will slowly price out some locals and human rights-abusing despots who will keep prices low, then I know which is the bigger crime.

I see no difference. They're all part of the same system.

US businesses are head quartered in a country that allows those Arab regimes to exist, and they often have their tentacles with those regimes.

 

[davek]

Actually think you’re right about this, but objectively the RS have a business model which is extremely successful and lucrative, both on and off the pitch.

We boast about having the most number of season tickets within x miles of the ground, whereas they have thousands of people flying in every other week. Those once or twice a season visitors can be seen around town every week, carrying 4 bags of swag from the LIverpool shop. We have local fans who leave their house at 5 to 3, go the game, and go home. One business model will generate vast sums of money, the other will not.

Just come back from holiday, and spoke to about a dozen RS fans, none of whom were from LIverpool / Merseyside. Their international recognition and appeal has never been higher, and their model of a tourist fanbase is one which clubs will be desperate to replicate.

They're cash comes mostly from broadcasting and sponsorship deals.

A club like City have been more successful than Liverpool by some distance in the las decade and a half but they chose not to sweat the fans over ticket pricing.

 

[davek]

We will go that way eventually, its not ideal but the sky clubs are there now the rest will follow eventually, the longer we resist this the further behind we will be left.. Might as well just go for it now when moving to the new ground instead of in 15 years time after everyone else.

Lambs to the slaughter this is.

I can guarantee there'll be a showdown between fans and club over the latter's ambitions to socially engineer who we are.

 

[Drico]

I see no difference. They're all part of the same system.

US businesses are head quartered in a country that allows those Arab regimes to exist, and they often have their tentacles with those regimes.

That's where we part ways, Dave.

You claim to be a socialist, but here you are openly admitting you would sell your soul to the devil to keep give local people who cannot afford match tickets precedence over Evertonians from abroad who can.

Now, I might have some sympathy for this argument if the Americans were going to price out ALL locals - but they are not. Local fans are the core and beating heart of the club. They must take precedence. But there is a balance to have.

I think the less queasy approach here is to argue for the 1991 status quo. But the game has changed irreversibly since then. Now the choice is between dodgy businessmen and human rights abusers. Hold your nose - and what's left of your morality.