VAR


Timbucktoo said:
Having thought about the penalty rebound rule change I think it will eliminate the need for the players to be lining up to follow up the penalty and there will be not need for players to be near the penalty taker or encroaching into the penalty area when it is being taken. It is a rule that`s as clear as can be, penalty taken, ends with a kick out or tip off. Where the goal keeper holding onto the ball, how many times have keepers held on for as long as they want and not get penalized, and what happened the crack down on diving?
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Crackdown on diving meant the favoured clubs and media darling players were going to get suspended too much and compromised so for the good of the 'product' they let the initiative go by the wayside. Of course the Premier League would say that there's no diving in the Premier League anymore and their initiative worked to eradicate it
 
Blast_of_Cannock said:
Given that games regularly exceed 96-100 minutes due to VAR, this would give them even more time added-on. I think the plan is to turn our football into American football so they can finally get adverts into the broadcast.
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I agree this is how it will end up, wouldn't it be great if at the very first sight of an advert during the game everyone switches off and cancels subscriptions citing mid game adverts as the reason.
 
Timbucktoo said:
Instead of bringing in new rules they should focus on fixing the rules they already have in place, and maybe start punishing teams that blatantly ignore the rules.
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Nail on the fluffin' head here. What was once a pretty simple game to play and watch in terms of rules, is being ruined.

As I've said before, VAR has in my humble opinion not improved football - it's done the opposite. More opaque and bizarre rules are not needed.
 

PhilM said:
Nail on the fluffin' head here. What was once a pretty simple game to play and watch in terms of rules, is being ruined.

As I've said before, VAR has in my humble opinion not improved football - it's done the opposite. More opaque and bizarre rules are not needed.
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Two worst rules for me now are the handball interpretation when the old ball to hand rule was fine. When you have defenders defending with arms behind their backs you know the rule is a joke. The second rule is the sliding tackle being penalized even when the player wins the ball. A good sliding tackle is a thing of beauty yet now you see players being sent off if their follow through accidentally catches the opponent. And to clarify I'm not saying reckless tackles shouldn't be penalized but the ones that are done with no malice
 
PhilM said:
Nail on the fluffin' head here. What was once a pretty simple game to play and watch in terms of rules, is being ruined.

As I've said before, VAR has in my humble opinion not improved football - it's done the opposite. More opaque and bizarre rules are not needed.
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Since VAR was brought in instead of having ref make the right decision, we now have another ref sat in a room in front of a few tv screens, every now and then have a word with the ref to go over to a screen, where he sees the same incident he called on from an angle that will make him change his decision, so rather than helping a bad ref get a decision right, they`ve added another bad ref on his day off to butt in and make even more controversy.
 
Timbucktoo said:
Since VAR was brought in instead of having ref make the right decision, we now have another ref sat in a room in front of a few tv screens, every now and then have a word with the ref to go over to a screen, where he sees the same incident he called on from an angle that will make him change his decision, so rather than helping a bad ref get a decision right, they`ve added another bad ref on his day off to butt in and make even more controversy.
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Referees will, in real time, make mistakes as that's the nature of competitive sport, especially at the highest level of football with the speed and intensity.

Whilst I would always hope for an improvement of referees, I accept it would never be perfect. I envisaged VAR as being a way of improvement, as you said.

Instead, we now have more controversy than ever, with referees having x-number of angles and technology still making horrendous decisions.

We now have referees making calls that appear to blindly ignore that football is played at the speed and intensity I mentioned; games are micromanaged.

I don't care if someone is 2cm off-side; I don't want fouls being awarded where it's taken someone to slow down a video and remove the real-time element.

Statistically, they are getting more decisions correct than ever, but that ignores that some of these said decisions were never an issue in the first place.

I watch non-league football as well as Everton, and yes there's some ludicrous (almost laughable decisions) but in the mainstay more enjoyable to watch.
 

PhilM said:
Referees will, in real time, make mistakes as that's the nature of competitive sport, especially at the highest level of football with the speed and intensity.

Whilst I would always hope for an improvement of referees, I accept it would never be perfect. I envisaged VAR as being a way of improvement, as you said.

Instead, we now have more controversy than ever, with referees having x-number of angles and technology still making horrendous decisions.

We now have referees making calls that appear to blindly ignore that football is played at the speed and intensity I mentioned; games are micromanaged.

I don't care if someone is 2cm off-side; I don't want fouls being awarded where it's taken someone to slow down a video and remove the real-time element.

Statistically, they are getting more decisions correct than ever, but that ignores that some of these said decisions were never an issue in the first place.

I watch non-league football as well as Everton, and yes there's some ludicrous (almost laughable decisions) but in the mainstay more enjoyable to watch.
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We have more controversy now because there should be no reason to get it wrong If a VAR decision is wrong for the SKY clubs there's an inquest that goes on for days, yet here we are even after multiple views from multiple angles and slow motion they are still getting it wrong. Taking more than 15-20 seconds on an offside is rubbish, if you cant decide on offside after 2 viewings without lines drawn on then it's not clear and obvious which is what VAR was supposed to be.
 
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Having watched the ladies euro finals it is very clear the standard of refereeing and the application of var is just as shoddy and unreliable as in every application everywhere else.

It's a shambles.
 
Tipp blue said:
We have more controversy now because there should be no reason to get it wrong If a VAR decision is wrong for the SKY clubs there's an inquest that goes on for days, yet here we are even after multiple views from multiple angles and slow motion they are still getting it wrong. Taking more than 15-20 seconds on an offside is rubbish, if you cant decide on offside after 2 viewings without lines drawn on then it's not clear and obvious which is what VAR was supposed to be.
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This societal obsession with perfection has to stop. As you say, if something cannot be determined quickly, then the on-field decision stands. Take the offside law. It was only ever brought in to prevent what children call "goal-hanging". There's very little need for it at all outside the penalty box, but if you do have it then we shouldn't be moaning about a lad's toe being more advanced than the last defender. Yes, he is offside by the letter of the law, but not by the spirit of it. If a ref misses that, so be it. More goals in the game. The key is to be as even-handed in application as possible.
 

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