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[Noisy noise annoys]

LIsten to the lyric, not the title. Anyway this is not about songs or chants from the comfort of the UK. It is about the right of Palestinians and Israelis to live with peace and dignity. Hate is causing the deaths and the starting point is the very difficult task of stopping hating your rivals. Israel is currently run by physcos and only the political weight of the USA can change that....I can't see the answer but if hate wins then Israel will not be stopped and Palestinians are in versions of concentration camps. Nobody in the region can take on the IDF so an alternative approach is required. Death to the IDF is neither happening or a solution if it did happen. Just another chapter of death.

The lyric was just that, a verse, not actual sentiment - the fact remains, the Israelis do not want the Palestinians to live with’peace and dignity’

 

[ChesterBlue]

No, I was referring to the Vylan chant which I think your post was about. That was a simplistic, populist move. Not excusing the IDF for one second, they are vile, but the situation is far more complicated. Better to listen to Lennon's lyrics in Revolution as a starting point.

I’m not both-sideing a genocide. Right is before Israel’s genocide, left is after.

 

[Taifi gorm]

I’m not both-sideing a genocide. Right is before Israel’s genocide, left is after.

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Exactly. Equating resisting oppression with the act of oppression. Attempting to police and limit the options for the oppressed with the tut, tut of privilege and the language of the oppression. Enlightened words to both nullify the deeds and neutralize the oppression.
Every option, they the Palestinians chose be it peaceful protest, violence, education especially education, has the same response. Bombings, death, years of torture and internment, cleansing. Yet they are the ones charged with finding a away forward.

"A freedom fighter learns the hard way that it is the oppressor who defines the nature of the struggle,and the oppressed is often left no recourse but to use methods that mirror those of the oppressor.At a point, one can only fight fire with fire". Nelson Mandela.

 

[Taifi gorm]

To illustrate your valid point even further, check out the link below. The Police are now facilitating the hate crime of burning flags rather than enforce the law or indeed common sense. This would never be tolerated in any English city. It’s mad that potentially cutting the electricity supply to a hospital all while igniting a burning pyre close to an asbestos site is tolerated to protect a sectarian hate fest.

Bonfire: Police say they will not assist removal

Police say the risk of the bonfire going ahead as planned is lower than carrying out the proposals to dismantle it.

www.bbc.co.uk

"Those who burn bonfires also join forces..."
PSNI are entitled to their day marching and burning with their kin too.
Just don't be a Jewish granny protesting for peace. Armed police don't like that.

 

[PITA]

Sorry, but i'm quite bored of these guys now

I see this Wembly gig is put on by Primary Talent International. They are owned by ICM partners, i did a quick googled about ICM partners and found' ICM Partners and Screenz, a joint venture between Keshet Broadcasting which is Israel's leading broadcaster'. It's a slippery slope once you start to sell out

Agreed. If they actually had any talent I might be interested.

Are they (dare I say it) monetising the conflict to hide behind their lack of.

 

[PITA]

What critics are missing is that they are absolutely turd musicians too, like an Irish Goldie Lookin’ Chain, but despot be taken seriously.

Wow. I am agreeing with you. I’ve also agreed with @davek (or maybe yesterday). What a time to be alive.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Agreed. If they actually had any talent I might be interested.

Are they (dare I say it) monetising the conflict to hide behind their lack of.

No they definitely aren’t. Ireland is very strong in its support of Palestine and they are genuine.

 

[PITA]

No they definitely aren’t. Ireland is very strong in its support of Palestine and they are genuine.

Fine but they are still very crap at the music stuff.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Fine but they are still very crap at the music stuff.

Not my cup of tea music wise but agree with their stance on Palestine and locally.

 

[PITA]

Not my cup of tea music wise but agree with their stance on Palestine and locally.

I think that we all agree on their stance. However they’re not, I hope, making money from their crap music. So how are they making money?

 

[Armaghtoffee]

I think that we all agree on their stance. However they’re not, I hope, making money from their crap music. So how are they making money?

Same as any other musician- gigs and streams etc.

 

[PITA]

Same as any other musician- gigs and streams etc.

Slight problem here - they aren’t musicians. So my question remains, what are they making money from?

 

[Armaghtoffee]

Slight problem here - they aren’t musicians. So my question remains, what are they making money from?

Feel free to give your own take on it, I have no idea where you are going with this.

 

[PITA]

Feel free to give your own take on it, I have no idea where you are going with this.

They court controversy but can’t make decent music. If they’re making money then it isn’t from making music so draw your own conclusion.

 

[Armaghtoffee]

They court controversy but can’t make decent music. If they’re making money then it isn’t from making music so draw your own conclusion.

OK mate.