This nurse Letby case
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tonyhorne
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It's not a question of, necessarily, believing that she is innocent but that it has not been proven (beyond reasonable doubt) that she is guilty. The evidence against her is circumstantial at best and the statistical analyses presented to juries were fundamentally flawed.
If those responsible for this pit they have led folks into wish to keep digging, so be it.
Two sugars, please. You green fiend, you ...
well strictly speaking, it has been proved beyond reasonable doubt that (although the instructions from trial judges are 'so that you are sure of their guilt' these days) as 12 people who heard ALL of the evidence returned that they were sure. it only needed 3 of those not to be sure for it to be a not guilty verdict.
Statistical analysis will only have formed part of the trial, who knows whether this was a fundamental err, but the two appeals she has lost suggests they may not have been that crucial. I have no strong view either way as I dint hear all the evidence.
tonyhorne
Immoderate
Maybe you are right. No doubt, though, at one time very similar viewpoints prevailed in the cases against Post Office victims.
davek
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Yes, and there's a lot of details that came forward post-sentencing that undermines further the opposition's case.
It's unsafe and should be overturned. Vested interests though are all too willing to see her rot in prison for the remainder of her life.
NathDogg
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Don’t think anyone is saying she is totally innocent, there have definitely been problems with her, but there is much more to this whole sorry incident that needs to come into the light, and the nhs, police and cps need to be held to the flames and be accountable.
davids
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It appears they are considering further charges,not necessarily against her. I've a feeling that heads will roll in management.
Prosecutors considering further charges against Lucy Letby
The Crown Prosecution Service is considering a "full file" of evidence submitted by Cheshire Police.
www.bbc.co.uk
Of course it is, Rumpole.
FCBarça
Player Valuation: £10m
Nurses are among the least appropriately compensated healthcare professionals who are historically overworked, underpaid and under the greatest duress at work. It attracts a certain psychological profile as well
Little surprise some succumb to burnout, drug abuse and even becoming ‘sisters of mercy’ as serial killers
Little surprise some succumb to burnout, drug abuse and even becoming ‘sisters of mercy’ as serial killers
I don't think it's so much people saying she's innocent. It's more that there's a feeling her conviction may have covered up failings and potential criminal culpability of others.
Would those who recently got charged with gross negligence manslaughter have been charged if she was found guilty and everybody just moved on?
tsubaki
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Almost certainly, yes.
Yes, as they are two separate things, albeit linked by one person.
By the way, no one has been charged with gross negligence manslaughter yet, they`ve been interviewed and bailed pending further enquiries.
It's exactly this. Be it Letby* or through wider negligence and malpractice, there appears to be sufficient evidence to argue that there was a problem...Yet, the investigations into more deaths and incidents at both the Countess of Chester and the Women goes on
These arrests are as a result of them failing to stop her and looking the other way to protect their own careers, when presented with evidence of what she was up to, not the other way around.
But yet again and as always, you already know this.
..., which they were made aware of numerous occasions, but decided to sweep it all under the carpet and restrict those who did raise concerns.
*people conveniently focus on the statistical analysis data, rather than the abundance of other evidence
Shevin Keedy
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I'd say you could use either; you'd probably not use both.
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