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Crystal Palace and the Europa League

Forest and olympiakos are not in the same comp anyway so it doesn't matter. That's literally not an issue for UEFA they have no decision to make.

Take ownership of it, your club have messed up. Not just with Lyon but with Brondby too.

They might not have told you that.... but they basically have, haven't they?
No mate. (If they're not in the same competition why are the shares put in a blind trust? -genuine question).
You have one point; blind trust. I have explained to you why this couldn't be done but you choose to rely on "my book" which you have yet to produce. Keep it coming mate, any analysis of the actual laws involved, the rules for MCO's (UEFA's, not your made up ones) and anything else that isn't your one eyed factually incorrect opinions will be welcome.
 

Because when the deadline is it looked like Forest could have been in the UCL.

This isn't UEFA against Palace. You haven't played by the rules and it's a consequence of your ownership model.

I'm struggling with your logic here, apart from you are staunchly pro Palace.

The rules seem pretty clear and you have just broken them.
 
Because when the deadline is it looked like Forest could have been in the UCL.

This isn't UEFA against Palace. You haven't played by the rules and it's a consequence of your ownership model.

I'm struggling with your logic here, apart from you are staunchly pro Palace.

The rules seem pretty clear and you have just broken them.
Ah, of course, yeah Forest were unlucky not to qualify for the CL after such a good season. Thanks for that.
I agree that it's not UEFA against Palace but it's clear that the rules are not fit for purpose. If they were a ruling would have been made weeks ago.
As you have previously said, we have a Board of Directors, we are entirely independent, we are not in an MCO, which we are being assessed by . The rules were designed for those clubs which are in MCO ownership.
My logic is simple. Palace are not part of an MCO which the rules (such as they are) were designed to cover. Textor, who owned an MCO, was separately, an investor in Palace. He was a Board member but Palace's Board constitution devolves all operational decision making to Steve Parish as Executive Chairman. Textor therefore has no day to day input or responsibilities with regard to operational matters. He can, and has, expressed his opinion on any number of matters as a Board member but that is neither control nor significant influence. Palace are now in a place that because of the inadequacies of the rules and the way that they have been by passed/ ignored in the past (Man City / Girona for example) UEFA are desperate not to rule either way to avoid any challenge which will expose these inadequacies and open them up to further scrutiny / appeal. Therefore Lyon being relegated would be a stroke of luck for UEFA as it would mean there would likely be no ruling to appeal. None of this is good but;
The rules are not clear (I suspect that you are thinking only of the blind trust deadline here which I have explained is not relevant for Palace) and we have not broken any rules. The blind trust is only for clubs where a person has control or significant interest in more than one club. UEFA have yet to rule on that point so we have, as yet not broken any rules.
Lastly, I would be staunchly pro Palace. I'm a Palace fan since 1968. But I have also made a study of the rules here. We have had enough balls ups down the years to recognise another one. We generally hold our hands up and say "typical Palace". But in this case that would be wrong.
Of course we may yet not be allowed to enter, and had we been able to put Textor's shares in a blind trust by March 1 we would be ok, but we didn't break any rules by not doing so. The rules would be broken only if UEFA rule Textor had significant interest or control over more than one club in the same competition. A blind trust is only UEFA's a way of circumnavigating UEFA's own rules. MCO is a mess and it's only going to get worse.
 
Does Textor have a vote on the running of Palace along with the other owners? If so he is directly involved with the running of the club.

We are not going to agree on this
 
Does Textor have a vote on the running of Palace along with the other owners? If so he is directly involved with the running of the club.

We are not going to agree on this
No, we’re not. To answer your question, he does not have a decisive vote. He cannot alone decide, therefore he has neither control nor significant influence. (Required by the rules).He has some influence, he must have, as a Board member, but that is permitted.
 

Because when the deadline is it looked like Forest could have been in the UCL.

This isn't UEFA against Palace. You haven't played by the rules and it's a consequence of your ownership model.

I'm struggling with your logic here, apart from you are staunchly pro Palace.

The rules seem pretty clear and you have just broken them.
The rules have not so much been broken as not fully complied with. The ownership model is pretty dodgy though, I agree.

I think the point is if someone like, say for the sake of argument, Liverpool FC were in danger of not being allowed to enter a competition then the rules would be overlooked. Again.
 
Not about Europe but there is a Palace 'connection' here. Very pleased for Palace fans that John 777 Textor doesn't have a say in the running of their club after what's happened to Lyon and now Botafogo seem to be getting it.

 
I don't know the legal arguments for and against in this case (because it bores me rigid) but Palace will be allowed to play in Europe as the football authorities are toothless. Don't get me wrong, i think Palace deserve to be there and i'm happy for them, but it's about time that rules became unambiguous. Yes, there might be the rare occasion when someone falls foul of them unintentionally, but tough. If you were unaware of the rules, it's no one's fault but yours. As soon as any rule says 'if in the opinion of/appears to have used their position to gain an unfair advantage/etc', the lawyers will have a field day. And who can afford/has the will to pay the best lawyers?
Anyway, they'll let Palace in so Everton can remain the only team to have been truly shafted :lol:
 

Textor gambled Lyons future and got lucky. This time.

Obvious parallels with Moshiris risk taking.

Both men come / came across as lovers of the game, in it for the fans etc but that has to be backed up by at least basic levels of accounting and administrative competence, the boring stuff.

They have both done good things too but playing with fire like that with institutions that have proud histories and stood the test of time is never worth it.
 

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