Kneecap

Yay or nay

  • Yes

    Votes: 43 46.2%

  • No

    Votes: 37 39.8%

  • Cheese Groucho added this option as he doesn’t know who they are or what the issue is on toast

    Votes: 13 14.0%
  • Total voters
    93

Mutzo Nutzo said:
Politics is as part of music as much today as it’s always been.

political viewpoint is often the artistic driving force behind so many performers and any governmental or state media attempt to censor and restrict these type of performances should be treated with contempt and disdain.

God knows what the govt and the beeb would have made of Crass today
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There has been no attempt to censor or restrict the actual performances though has there? The BBC made risk based decisions on what to broadcast live with one eye on the rules that govern them. But they did nothing, and indeed have no power, to censor or restrict the actual performance in and of itself.

As it turned out it seems that Kneecaps performance, which wasn't censored or restricted, seemingly didn't fall foul of any laws or regulations the BBC are bound by and has subsequently been broadcast.

Unfortunately for the BBC their decision around Bob Vylan resulted in them broadcasting an uncensored and unrestricted performance where someone has apparently made comments that could be construed incitement to murder or similar hate crime. That will leave them in hot water as an organisation.

Their is nothing about chanting "Death, Death to the IDF" that could be construed as stemming from an 'artistic driving force' beyond button pushing edginess. Which to be fair is punk.
 

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ClausThomsen said:
There has been no attempt to censor or restrict the actual performances though has there? The BBC made risk based decisions on what to broadcast live with one eye on the rules that govern them. But they did nothing, and indeed have no power, to censor or restrict the actual performance in and of itself.

As it turned out it seems that Kneecaps performance, which wasn't censored or restricted, seemingly didn't fall foul of any laws or regulations the BBC are bound by and has subsequently been broadcast.

Unfortunately for the BBC their decision around Bob Vylan resulted in them broadcasting an uncensored and unrestricted performance where someone has apparently made comments that could be construed incitement to murder or similar hate crime. That will leave them in hot water as an organisation.

Their is nothing about chanting "Death, Death to the IDF" that could be construed as stemming from an 'artistic driving force' beyond button pushing edginess. Which to be fair is punk.
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That’s a different debate altogether. This thread is about kneecap and the efforts around the UK government to label the lead singer as someone who committed an act of terrorism and the BBC who sought to restrict the broadcast of their performance. As it turned out they went ahead with the broadcast but it doesn’t excuse them for actively attempting to block the broadcast of Kneecaps performance.

As for Bob Vylan, I agree with you, inciting murder is crossing the line and rightly it should be looked at by the police. You can get your message across without resorting to that kind of rhetoric.

Again you have too look at this as a band trying to be edgy and playing up to the crowd. But if you posted that stuff on social media the likely outcome would be arrest and prosecution. It will probably only serve to give them an air of notoriety and quite possibly enhance their careers.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
That’s a different debate altogether. This thread is about kneecap and the efforts around the UK government to label the lead singer as someone who committed an act of terrorism and the BBC who sought to restrict the broadcast of their performance. As it turned out they went ahead with the broadcast but it doesn’t excuse them for actively attempting to block the broadcast of Kneecaps performance.

As for Bob Vylan, I agree with you, inciting murder is crossing the line and rightly it should be looked at by the police. You can get your message across without resorting to that kind of rhetoric.

Again you have too look at this as a band trying to be edgy and playing up to the crowd. But if you posted that stuff on social media the likely outcome would be arrest and prosecution. It will probably only serve to give them an air of notoriety and quite possibly enhance their careers.
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The BBC took the step of not broadcasting live because of the trouble they would be in if a member of Kneecap made an inflammatory comment or potentially criminal statement. The broadcaster is liable for what they choose to broadcast so from a risk perspective it's understandable they opted for caution and probably had to let their legal teams or whoever give the performance the once over to ensure they weren't falling foul of the regulations that govern the BBC.

You only have to look at the hammering they're getting this morning over broadcasting Bob Vylan to understand that cautious approach around the broadcast of Kneecap who beforehand were probably seen, rightly or wrongly, as the riskier proposition.

For me it's not the BBC working hand in hand with the Government to slap a troublesome Irish singer down. It's them being bound by regulations under which they have to work. The fact that they are being accused of being right wing authoritarian censors while also being criticised for being left wing loonies platforming terrorist mantra clearly illustrates the balancing act required.
 
Mutzo Nutzo said:
That’s a different debate altogether. This thread is about kneecap and the efforts around the UK government to label the lead singer as someone who committed an act of terrorism and the BBC who sought to restrict the broadcast of their performance. As it turned out they went ahead with the broadcast but it doesn’t excuse them for actively attempting to block the broadcast of Kneecaps performance.

As for Bob Vylan, I agree with you, inciting murder is crossing the line and rightly it should be looked at by the police. You can get your message across without resorting to that kind of rhetoric.

Again you have too look at this as a band trying to be edgy and playing up to the crowd. But if you posted that stuff on social media the likely outcome would be arrest and prosecution. It will probably only serve to give them an air of notoriety and quite possibly enhance their careers.
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Doesn't your second paragraph explain the issue you reference in the first?
 

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