argietoffee
Player Valuation: £20m
I think having him as part of the playing group is key to defining culture when % wise there is a huge change in playing staff coming, several of which will be foreign lads.
I think having him as part of the playing group is key to defining culture when % wise there is a huge change in playing staff coming, several of which will be foreign lads.
Howard surrounded by elite players. Seamus not so. Could have done a Rooney. Going on your summary he should have.
Benicetoourboys
Player Valuation: £6m
Do you like Everton even a little bit?
Rallying the troops, making sure they put the defeat behind them and move onto the next game. Reinforcing the priveleged position they're in and making sure they know how much Everton Football Club means to the fans.
Drico
Player Valuation: £60m
Howard wasn't surrounded by elite players when he was player-manager.
And when he was surrounded by elite players, it was because he was an elite player himself.
Coleman is a mediocrity in our history.
Drico
Player Valuation: £60m
I love Everton - so much so that it pains me to see so many of our fans fail to differentiate between mediocrity and quality. The reason we are now a footnote in the English game is because we have celebrated footnotes like Coleman. He was an honest player - no more than that - and I say that as an Irishman. He shouldn't be next or near our playing squad.
God you’re absolutely insufferable. I don’t even mute Dave but you’re too much, bye.
There is a massive difference still being a player and a senior player at that, to being a recently retired player who is part of the coaching staff, who probably hasn't done his time with the 18's and 21's yet.
Being part of the players group and being part of the coaching group are fundamentally different. There is likely 6 or 7 players to be integrated into the senior side in the next few months. That'll be Seamus's role along with whatever minutes he gets. He can't do that as a coach.
The recruitment team and the Manager understand that, I'd imagine Seamus does also.
Drico
Player Valuation: £60m
I get all that - I just don't get the glorification of somebody who has won less than David Unsworth at the club. I mean, he has no answer when somebody challenges him to put his medals on the table.
I'm sure he's a lovely fella and even I would concede he has always played with his heart, but we have got to move on from "pashun". How about signing quality players?
Benicetoourboys
Player Valuation: £6m
Thanks.
In my opinion Coleman has never once let us down he is first & foremost a great player. Is it possible you haven't seen him 'live' very often?
I've seen him at home throughout his Everton career & a few away as well, he is so much more than an honest player.
We know he is a great person & captain & loved by most Evertonians. Hugely respected by our managers & players.
Anyway, although we disagree no hard feelings Drico.
Where is this supposed "glorification?" If it's on this forum can you quote the posts please so people can respond to what you're seeing and disputing?
Everton have signed at least 8 RB's if not more since Seamus started his 1st game and they've all been crap.
It's not his fault he hasn't been replaced. It's a bonkers argument.
He's not going to start the season as our first choice RB.
Drico
Player Valuation: £60m
I've seen Coleman as much as anybody. After all, he has spent the last 15 years playing for my two teams: Everton and Ireland.
For about six years, he was a massive asset for both. After his terrible injury against Wales, he was a shadow of his former self, though he was already in decline a good year before.
I don't rate him as a "great player." I rate him as a wholehearted, honest player, with an attitude that was far superior to his technical ability. I am not bothered if he is a lovely lad or not - from what I hear, people speak very highly of him. But, for me, that's largely superfluous if he can't do it on the pitch. And he hasn't been doing it on the pitch for well over half a decade now.
For me, Coleman, perhaps unfairly, represents an entire era of mediocrity at Everton. I see very little to nothing of the last 15 years to celebrate - and Seamus was central to that time. Kenwright used him as a talisman to deflect from his massive mismanagment of the club, and Seamus was happy enough to play along. I wouldn't hold that against him too much - he was smart enough to know his own limits. But I despair when I see so many fans hold him up as an "icon" of the club - when that club was, basically, an irrelevance during his time. Our icons aren't what they used to be...but I suppose that's self-evident.
Anway, I realise many love him. I won't be popular for my position on this, but heck it's what I feel. I'll feel a lot better about his continued presence if I see us materially improve our playing squad this summer.
Drico
Player Valuation: £60m
Not his fault at all - I'm not making that "bonkers argument."
I'm saying he's not remotely worthy of the pedestal too many are erecting for him.
Or some of the hate he gets in that case.
To be honest I don't see many put him on a pedestal, he gets a lot of respect rather than adulation. Players/coaches/opponents etc.
He was a very good player until he broke his leg. He also seems like a good person.
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