New Everton Owners: The Friedkin Group

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Read some chat on Reddit that Lee Sargeson, who reported to Dan Purdy, is the nominal Head of Recruitment for the summer until James Smith can take up his post in September.

We got him from Brighton apparently. Had not heard of him. I assume that means he is going to stay when Smith arrives and work with him. There is some continuity anyway.

You'd hope much of the player identification and heavy lifting on targets would have been done before Purdy left his role mate and well before the summer mate.

That said an observation would be Moyes will do his own thing, he fairly mothballed the Nuamah deal in January when we seemed fairly down the line with it. The lad in question has actually picked up a bad injury in April, cruciate ligament rupture and is out 6 - 12 months.

 

[davek]

I don't get what you want, Dave. You've moaned for years about the DoF structure and now we've binned it, you moan about that.

I can only guess that you want everything in the hands of the manager and that we should play four, four, ****ing two?

Yes, because it was adding an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the onfield side of the club.

They got shut of that to replace it with even more bureaucracy.

You cant run a football club by committee.

 

[toffeeblue9]

Yes, because it was adding an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the onfield side of the club.

They got shut of that to replace it with even more bureaucracy.

You cant run a football club by committee.

So the manager then?

 

[toffeeblue9]

Yes, because it was adding an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the onfield side of the club.

They got shut of that to replace it with even more bureaucracy.

You cant run a football club by committee.

Any example of another club in modern football you can point to that you think does it well?

 

[davek]

So the manager then?

CEO/Chairman link with the owner to get cash for players + manager and his staff to choose players to buy and sell.

That's pretty much all you need.

Analytics and stuff like that are important these days but should be seen as the nuts and bolts of the organisation and nowhere near any decision making.

 

[toffeeblue9]

CEO/Chairman link with the owner to get cash for players + manager and his staff to choose players to buy and sell.

That's pretty much all you need.

Analytics and stuff like that are important these days but should be seen as the nuts and bolts of the organisation and nowhere near any decision making.

Any example of anyone, anywhere in Europe doing this?

 

[Jimishorts]

You cant run a football club by committee.

Almost like we need some sort of supreme leader?

 

[brieverton]

Kinnear was quoted in Fridays statement as saying these appointments were in support of the men's and women's managers.

There seems little doubt that Moyes is in the driving seat. In terms of a committee, and a counterweight to Moyes now that the DoF role is no more, then that might be Kinnear himself.

If Moyes is dictating on priorities and targets, then I think Kinnear in reporting to Marc Watts and TFG, might take much more of a direct business involvement in looking at player age profiles, and the length of contracts / wages we are handing out.

This was addressed by necessity due to our recent dire straits, but previously under Moshiri it seemed the left hand didn't know what the right hand was doing.

The biggest indictment of Moshiri was a lack of oversight, leadership,, and co-ordination.

 

[John from Bootle]

Yes, because it was adding an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the onfield side of the club.

They got shut of that to replace it with even more bureaucracy.

You cant run a football club by committee.

I've said for a while Dave that eventually the DOF role will eat itself. It was brought in to provide stability but in this age where every man, cat and dog is open to scrutiny, having a DOF no longer guarantees any stability.

However, it's interesting to note that we haven't actually appointed a DoF. The 4 roles are independent of each other and none of them holds a more powerful position than the manager, which you just can't say when you appoint a DoF.

Nick Cox - Technical director. His remit is to ensure that facilities, both medical and sporting are fit for purpose. He will also be performing this role for the womens team. He will have no involvement in transfer activity.

James Smith - Worked with Moyes for 10 years. Head of Scouting and recruitment. His job is to identify players, both personally and by using the scouting network he will help to shape. I highly doubt he will be going over the managers head.

Chris Howarth - He is there to ensure the scouting team can make the best use of analytics. He won't be dictating transfer policy.

Nick Hammond - Player trading. As in actually negotiating the in's and out's, he won't be deciding who is sold or bought, just working to ensure the club strike the best deals possible.

If one person - a DoF- was performing the above duties then he wields a lot of power, compartmentalised like this though, the power is diluted and not one of them can just ride roughshod over what the manager might think. It also means that all of them are also able to handle the same matters for the women's team.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

CEO/Chairman link with the owner to get cash for players + manager and his staff to choose players to buy and sell.

That's pretty much all you need.

Analytics and stuff like that are important these days but should be seen as the nuts and bolts of the organisation and nowhere near any decision making.

The all powerful manager who dictates the style , direction and purchasing of the club ?
(Plus pockets a few backhanders in the transfer window , no doubt .)
Then the manager fails so you have to replace him and are faced with either continuing with the failed style of play , or going in a different direction with a prolonged and perilous transitional period .
Continuity is the reason for new structures .
The need to have an holistic view of the club and its overall direction. You need a structure that links the academy recruitment and playing style to the first team to maximise the amount of players who can progress.
In truth , like any other business, the structure evolves and is never set in stone.
Originally football clubs were run by committee , they selected and purchased the players , the trainer was the man responsible for training and match days .
The idea of a manager who gradually undertook the role of the committee was part of the continued evolution of football .
Football has moved away from the powerful manager role over the last 20 years or more in pursuit of continuity and because of the observation that clubs who have deepened and broadened their structure begin to enjoy more success and stability with ultimately less cost.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Any example of anyone, anywhere in Europe doing this?

Man Utd and look what's happened to them in recent years. The game has changed and you just can't have one person in control of everything any more. Most of the top clubs don't even go for 'manager' types these days they go more with 'head coach' types who are happy just working on the training ground improving and prepping the players for game day and are not bothered about all the other stuff.

 

[Exeter_Gently]

Yes, because it was adding an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the onfield side of the club.

They got shut of that to replace it with even more bureaucracy.

You cant run a football club by committee.

Liverpool do.

 

[Toffe3m4n]

Yes, because it was adding an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the onfield side of the club.

They got shut of that to replace it with even more bureaucracy.

You cant run a football club by committee.

To be fair Dave, quite a few football clubs across Europe have done pretty well with a similar structure. Dare I even mention that lot across the park?

 

[davek]

Any example of anyone, anywhere in Europe doing this?

We used to do it until the Moshiri years.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Yes, because it was adding an unnecessary layer of bureaucracy to the onfield side of the club.

They got shut of that to replace it with even more bureaucracy.

You cant run a football club by committee.

It's difficult, but it can be done. As long as everyone is working to achieve the same objectives and knows their own specific role and responsibilities, then it can work.