2024/25 David Moyes

[Kevsleftpeg]

To be fair, isn't that what happens all the time?

Players on outgoing contracts can sign for new clubs 6 months before the end their current contract.

Spurs announced four days ago that they agreed a transfer with Bayern for Tel. That he'll join the club permanently July 1st at the end of the loan agreement.

Same with Alcaraz:

Everton have triggered the option to make Charly Alcaraz a permanent signing for an undisclosed fee when his loan from Brazilian side Flamengo concludes next month.
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The permanent deal will see the 22-year-old sign for the Blues until the end of June 2027.

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www.evertonfc.com

Not sure what the correct terminology is. Pre-contracts perhaps?

Point is, there is nothing that stops Everton from agreeing transfers that will be effective from July 1st.

Yes but the contract won't be post dated. The contract will be dated when it is signed. I don't know from a PSR perspective which accounting period it would fall in.

 

[pfim]

To be fair, isn't that what happens all the time?

Players on outgoing contracts can sign for new clubs 6 months before the end their current contract.

Spurs announced four days ago that they agreed a transfer with Bayern for Tel. That he'll join the club permanently July 1st at the end of the loan agreement.

Same with Alcaraz:

Everton have triggered the option to make Charly Alcaraz a permanent signing for an undisclosed fee when his loan from Brazilian side Flamengo concludes next month.
...

The permanent deal will see the 22-year-old sign for the Blues until the end of June 2027.

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www.evertonfc.com

Not sure what the correct terminology is. Pre-contracts perhaps?

Point is, there is nothing that stops Everton from agreeing transfers that will be effective from July 1st.

They're agreements, whether they're legally binding or not likely depends on jurisdiction (no, I'm not a lawyer, but I can read).

At the end of the day, nothing is stopping us from buying players, agreeing to contracts etc on June 19th, other than the counterparties (players and other clubs) agreeing to them. Which seems to be something many ignore, it takes three to tango.

 

[Bedfordblue]

While we’re on the subject of law and lawyers.

 

[Clarky cat]

Fun fact.
David Moyes has 3 middle names and will often choose to use the initials to save time.

David LLB Moyes.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

While we’re on the subject of law and lawyers.
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The 1st of July can't come fast enough...

 

[Lanolin]

Post-dating is something that has occurred to even the smallest-brained amongst us.

It's not some brilliant idea. It's an obvious idea.

The fact that it isn't happening is evidence that it's a non-starter. Because the people who actually know what they are talking about obviously have said to the people that matter that it's a non-starter.

Yeah it's quite similar to the 'just sell it to the women's team for a billion and it'll all be fine' stuff. Clearly it isn't that easy, otherwise everybody would be doing it, and yet people just put it forward as if the club must be idiots not to have done it already.

 

[JobForTheMoyes]

Anyway… David Moyes, eh? What a gaffer!

 

[Goat]

Yeah it's quite similar to the 'just sell it to the women's team for a billion and it'll all be fine' stuff. Clearly it isn't that easy, otherwise everybody would be doing it, and yet people just put it forward as if the club must be idiots not to have done it already.

Its the same as "Selling a player for 50m lets us spend 250m".

Yes, for PSR reasons the fees are spread over the length of the contract, but transfer fees to clubs are not and they need paying.

 

[Lanolin]

Its the same as "Selling a player for 50m lets us spend 250m".

Yes, for PSR reasons the fees are spread over the length of the contract, but transfer fees to clubs are not and they need paying.

I love that one! Especially when it's said as if it's a major revelation that hasn't already been said 14000 times in the same thread.

 

[Zatara]

Not at all. The league allow that for registration purpose if the agreement was substantially complete subject to paper work but the contract will be dated on the date it was effective. It won't be back dated. It's not ethical for a lawyer to back date a document and would send alarm bells if a client asked me to do that.

Well no, thats registration periods and totally different from signing a player.

Again, certain clauses taking effect in the future is not post dating something.

As I said a good lawyer would intepret this.

Post-dating is something that has occurred to even the smallest-brained amongst us.

It's not some brilliant idea. It's an obvious idea.

The fact that it isn't happening is evidence that it's a non-starter. Because the people who actually know what they are talking about obviously have said to the people that matter that it's a non-starter.

What do Chelsea do? Or the Spanish & Portuguese clubs when signing players from South America windows in advance?

Personally think you are simply getting confused by the transfer window and the actual contract.

A player may sign a contract on the 1st June, but can only be registered with the league/FA on the 1st July. The contract is still valid from 1st June, as that is the date they signed it. I guess a club may get a verbal contract or something similarly informal, but it will unenforceable by law. I am not a lawyer but I guess that would be the case?

Possibly the case. But the registration would depend on the date the player officially joins and is able to be registered of course.

To be fair, isn't that what happens all the time?

Players on outgoing contracts can sign for new clubs 6 months before the end their current contract.

Spurs announced four days ago that they agreed a transfer with Bayern for Tel. That he'll join the club permanently July 1st at the end of the loan agreement.

Same with Alcaraz:

Everton have triggered the option to make Charly Alcaraz a permanent signing for an undisclosed fee when his loan from Brazilian side Flamengo concludes next month.
...

The permanent deal will see the 22-year-old sign for the Blues until the end of June 2027.

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www.evertonfc.com

Not sure what the correct terminology is. Pre-contracts perhaps?

Point is, there is nothing that stops Everton from agreeing transfers that will be effective from July 1st.

Exactly my point.

They're agreements, whether they're legally binding or not likely depends on jurisdiction (no, I'm not a lawyer, but I can read).

At the end of the day, nothing is stopping us from buying players, agreeing to contracts etc on June 19th, other than the counterparties (players and other clubs) agreeing to them. Which seems to be something many ignore, it takes three to tango.

Its clear that if a deal is agreed and medicals done then there should be 'wiggle room' to process the transfer a month later.

 

[Daveysgingerlovechild]

Christmas. It's Christmas! No way can GOT be closed over summer. I hope we pre dated Moyes' contract so bonuses kick in part way through it for the great job he's done.

Or something.

 

[allen]

Well no, thats registration periods and totally different from signing a player.



As I said a good lawyer would intepret this.



What do Chelsea do? Or the Spanish & Portuguese clubs when signing players from South America windows in advance?



Possibly the case. But the registration would depend on the date the player officially joins and is able to be registered of course.



Exactly my point.



Its clear that if a deal is agreed and medicals done then there should be 'wiggle room' to process the transfer a month later.

Have you rang Everton and told them you are smarter than anyone they’ve ever spoken to on the subject?

Or could it be that you’re not furnished with all the facts, knowledge or experience?

 

[trueblue84]

I again plead my case for Grand Old Team to close June and July.

 

[pfim]

I again plead my case for Grand Old Team to close June and July.

You'll be robbing so many posters of their opportunities to become amateur lawyers, accountants, agents and managers. Think about the children.

 

[Toffeepot]

To be fair, isn't that what happens all the time?

Players on outgoing contracts can sign for new clubs 6 months before the end their current contract.

Spurs announced four days ago that they agreed a transfer with Bayern for Tel. That he'll join the club permanently July 1st at the end of the loan agreement.

Same with Alcaraz:

Everton have triggered the option to make Charly Alcaraz a permanent signing for an undisclosed fee when his loan from Brazilian side Flamengo concludes next month.
...

The permanent deal will see the 22-year-old sign for the Blues until the end of June 2027.

Loading…

www.evertonfc.com

Not sure what the correct terminology is. Pre-contracts perhaps?

Point is, there is nothing that stops Everton from agreeing transfers that will be effective from July 1st.

Yes. Pre-contract agreement, not 'post-dated'

It would be more of a Memorandum of Agreement that may or may not be binding, depending on what is agreed. The more likely scenario is agents enable their clients to bail on an MOA should a better offer come in before the actual contract is signed. I cannot see anyone signing a completely binding agreement earlier than the personal benefits of that contract come into play, that's just common sense