6 + 2 Point Deductions

Frenk said:
I know what you’re saying and it may seem like a very unlikely scenario but I want Everton to be competing at the very top. For me it would be like competing in a sub standard competition.
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With the way the financial rules are structured nobody other than City, The [Poor language removed], Arsenal, United and Chelsea are getting regularly in that top 5-6. You may get a team like Newcastle who flirt with it for a season or two but the sad fact is it’s ring-fenced. Look how hamstrung Villa and Newcastle have been despite having very talented squads and in Newcastles case unlimited finances. Everton sadly will never be allowed to compete at the very top - pains me to say it but that ship has sailed and isn’t coming back. Media runs football and we’re not media-friendly enough to join the top table.
 

Walken said:
Remember other fans and the press asking why are blues fuming with the prem, it's their club that messed. We knew them we were an example to avoid closer inspection and that none of the inner circle would ever be punished.

Let's not forget the blues on here who gleefully cheered on the prem and revelled in the misery of their fellow toffees for Internet points, lowest of the low
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Yes, I was a lurker for a while but used to read some of the comments, imagine getting a buzz out of your fellow blues misery.
 
evertony said:
It’s just preparation for the Super League.
Can’t come soon enough for me. Make the Premier League as competitive and interesting as the Championship.
Let the scabby six spend themselves into oblivion with the other fraudulent clubs like Barca, Real, Inter, Juve etc
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Tbh I feel the super league is already in, well mostly anyway, the Champions league has been enlarged so much, so many more games and so much more prize money that most other teams can't find any way to compete. Look for example whose been doing the buying in this mini transfer window and a lot of teams outside the CL having their best players taken away from them. Not complaining too much as it makes them safe from PSR penalties...for now.
 

I don’t think this United thing is anything to moan about. As a global company, they are many times bigger than most clubs, and their complex group structure will reflect this. The football operations are rightly in one company, and that’s what is considered for PSR. Crap they may be, but they generate colossal global revenue.

It’s the Chelsea-esque sale of “assets” to other group companies thats the issue. Fine, move assets around the group as you see fit. But in no way should it crystallise a profit for PSR.

Our women’s team is in the same legal entity as the men’s team, so as it stands, no matter how times people say it, we can’t sell Goodison to the women’s team to fiddle PSR. Even if we could, we shouldn’t. We would be guaranteed to be the test case, and lose.
 
HalfTimeSayers said:
I don’t think this United thing is anything to moan about. As a global company, they are many times bigger than most clubs, and their complex group structure will reflect this. The football operations are rightly in one company, and that’s what is considered for PSR. Crap they may be, but they generate colossal global revenue.

It’s the Chelsea-esque sale of “assets” to other group companies thats the issue. Fine, move assets around the group as you see fit. But in no way should it crystallise a profit for PSR.

Our women’s team is in the same legal entity as the men’s team, so as it stands, no matter how times people say it, we can’t sell Goodison to the women’s team to fiddle PSR. Even if we could, we shouldn’t. We would be guaranteed to be the test case, and lose.
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Agree with every word.

The thing is, the Premier League clubs had a chance to close that Chelsea loophole and voted against it (including Everton)... yet none of them decided to follow suit in selling assets to themselves, which I find very odd.

With clubs sailing very close to the wind in terms of relegation or chasing a Champions League spot, I'd have thought they might have freed up a hundred million or so to try and push themselves a few places higher in the hopes of striking gold in the league.

I wonder why nobody else has done what Chelsea continue to do.
 
Frenk said:
I know what you’re saying and it may seem like a very unlikely scenario but I want Everton to be competing at the very top. For me it would be like competing in a sub standard competition.
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Sadly I really can’t see this happening.

The PL is semi scripted now with 5 “big” clubs in an almost closed shop. I think Spuds are top of the rest.
I view it more like a Hollywood movie. You have your A list stars and they will always save the world. It is what the audience want to see. Tom Cruise will always accomplish Mission Impossible. No real money in him not.
Likewise the PL and media, who are in it for the money and aren’t football fans,want the “superstar” clubs, in terms of fans and money earning potential, to win things. Sadly there is no real money in Villa, Newcastle or Everton winning.
The reaction to viewing figures being down will be interesting. First are these viewing figures domestic or global. I really do see English interest dropping as most people support local teams and don’t want to see the same teams win. They don’t have that level of interest in the few clubs, we are repeatedly told by SKY & BBC employees, Spitty, Neville etc ,are the best.
Globally I suspect it will be different. I watch NFL. I can watch any team as I just don’t have the historical baggage of supporting one team all my life where as I really can’t watch any other PL game that does not include Everton. I refused to watch this year’s Anlfield Derby as the whole media narrative was so against Everton.
Globally fans, can watch the “big “ teams and for obvious reasons have no real connection to any one. so having a few main actors helps the narrative.
I suspect the PL want City & Chelsea to do really well in the Club Cup, which will be global, with almost zero interest in the UK. Let them spend what they want and get competitive for next season to boost the interest.
It is a global party and sadly I don’t see a real invite for Everton anytime soon if ever.
We are still talking about PSR compliance and certain aren’t even pretending it exists for them anymore.
 
HalfTimeSayers said:
I don’t think this United thing is anything to moan about. As a global company, they are many times bigger than most clubs, and their complex group structure will reflect this. The football operations are rightly in one company, and that’s what is considered for PSR. Crap they may be, but they generate colossal global revenue.

It’s the Chelsea-esque sale of “assets” to other group companies thats the issue. Fine, move assets around the group as you see fit. But in no way should it crystallise a profit for PSR.

Our women’s team is in the same legal entity as the men’s team, so as it stands, no matter how times people say it, we can’t sell Goodison to the women’s team to fiddle PSR. Even if we could, we shouldn’t. We would be guaranteed to be the test case, and lose.
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How would the global part be losing them money when it is the football side where their problems are.

The issue is that the losses are appearing in the global company.

The whole point of their global operations is that it makes them money allowing them to pay big wages and afford large fees, what the report says is that their US company is making massive losses, considering their just selling stuff through that company, it’s not plausible.

In fact, anytime anyone questions how clubs like UTD can spend so much it is the ‘massive loss making’ global side that supposedly helps them do this.
 

GoldenToffee said:
Agree with every word.

The thing is, the Premier League clubs had a chance to close that Chelsea loophole and voted against it (including Everton)... yet none of them decided to follow suit in selling assets to themselves, which I find very odd.

With clubs sailing very close to the wind in terms of relegation or chasing a Champions League spot, I'd have thought they might have freed up a hundred million or so to try and push themselves a few places higher in the hopes of striking gold in the league.

I wonder why nobody else has done what Chelsea continue to do.
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The media seem to think that the premier league are building a case against Chelsea so don’t be suprised to see them get 115 charges shortly
 
HalfTimeSayers said:
I don’t think this United thing is anything to moan about. As a global company, they are many times bigger than most clubs, and their complex group structure will reflect this. The football operations are rightly in one company, and that’s what is considered for PSR. Crap they may be, but they generate colossal global revenue.

It’s the Chelsea-esque sale of “assets” to other group companies thats the issue. Fine, move assets around the group as you see fit. But in no way should it crystallise a profit for PSR.

Our women’s team is in the same legal entity as the men’s team, so as it stands, no matter how times people say it, we can’t sell Goodison to the women’s team to fiddle PSR. Even if we could, we shouldn’t. We would be guaranteed to be the test case, and lose.
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Thats fine, but if they want to structure it like that, then their global revenue should be kept external from PSR calculations as well. You surely cant choose to only transfer your losses out of the country for PSR purposes.
 
We can't pretend the revenue gap isn't there but in terms of competition it should convey a weighted and limited advantage at best.

That's never going to happen obviously. Maybe I'm too old fashioned but it shouldn't be based on millions of shirt sales in Asia.

Maybe it's just sour grapes.

I'd love us to have a season like Villa did the season before this but it is near impossible to repeat as they have seen. You could hope for an isolated season like that before the structural and economic realities kick back in and you're back to thinking an 8th place finish is the best you could have done, and have to settle for it.
 

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