2024/25 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Toffeepot]

The poor thing here is that those defending DCLs right to have his mental health respected are prepared to indulge in a pile on of a fellow poster.

That's contradictory...at best.

you do know all things 'contra' tbf

 

[Raino85]

No. People are getting a little troubled by your insinuation that people with "real" mental troubles don't talk about it on podcasts. This is, at best, a wildly uninformed and ignorant take.

You prefaced one of your earlier posts on the topic with "I don't know if its me being a bit old school or what", so I'm inclined to give you the benefit of the doubt in not having an informed opinion on a subject such as mental health.
An attitude of "if you're going to get depressed while being a well-payed premier league footballer, then being a well-payed premier league footballer isn't for you" is a hugely oversimplified reaction to a very real issue that can affect anyone.

Now who is putting people into boxes?
You would think i was this guy

Problem i see with this sort of opinion is you see it so black & white, there is so much grey to discuss, but you are so quick to jump on what you think should be the appropriate opinion they share on this morning, that each side is so extreme

Footballers go through a huge sacrifice from a very young age, work extremely hard and give up a lot to earn that money in an industry worth billions, if it was that easy to do everyone would do it.
So yes, the footballers, should be the ones to reap the rewards that the game makes.

 

[Toffeepot]

A lot of people on here taking a lot of offence to people saying that 'man in job were you need to be mentally strong to survive, is not mentally strong enough for the standard'

Mentality is a huge part of why you make it at the top level, mentality is part of your mental health. It sounds ruthless but you need care less than Dom to survive at this level.

Seems like a lovely, well brought up lad, who despite what others have said, has worked his socks off though

Disagree
Roy Keane cared so much he couldn't even celebrate winning the league properly without thinking of the next season
Players who care more usually suffer more in a bad spell but are also more likely to pull themselves out of it.

I can't see any negative connection between 'caring' and 'surviving', it's a weird take

 

[Raino85]

Disagree
Roy Keane cared so much he couldn't even celebrate winning the league properly without thinking of the next season
Players who care more usually suffer more in a bad spell but are also more likely to pull themselves out of it.

I can't see any negative connection between 'caring' and 'surviving', it's a weird take

I would say Dom & Roy Keane are 2 completely different personality's who's thought processes aren't the same.

A)Some people use that sort of stuff for fuel to improve
B)Some people get bogged down in it and it can effect them to an extent they cant perform

Some people can be A at a young age but eventually get ground down and become B
Some people can be in the middle, some people can be a bit of both, it what makes everyone human

 

[DL100]

He is a terrible footballer and a woeful finisher. Whenever he gets a chance i just accept he has missed it already.

You can see form Beto's goals that we could have been away from all the relegation fights with a decent striker.

Dom is still living on his Ancelotti purple patch, he scored all his goals that season in roughly 10 games or so then went through a drought.

He has a better highlight reel of chances missed than scored.

He has never been good enough for an Everton no9. he wouldn't be the starting striker at any other team in the Prem.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

No, having mind that is free from mental health problems....unfortunately is what clubs want and need at this level of football.
Mental strength is not a real thing, mental health is.

I fear you hear the term 'mental health' and lap it up. Sugar coat it and actually are a crutch for it, when it needs discussing PROPERLY, by professionals and not by an F1 commentator, a footballer or the CEO of HUEL.

Everybody's mental health journey is different and for you to box it into a singular is incorrect.

Its like when people say 'you can fight cancer' you cant! You can get lucky or unlucky, you have no control of it.

So... Is mental strength real or not?!:

A lot of people on here taking a lot of offence to people saying that 'man in job were you need to be mentally strong to survive, is not mentally strong enough for the standard'

Nobody has lapped anything up based on a trigger phrase here except you, mate. The rest of us simply responded empathetically to a young boy talking about feeling anguish so extreme that, despite what seems from the outside like a lavish existence, he briefly considered that it would be better for everyone if he wasn't here anymore.

Of course he has utilised the help of professionals in his rehab. He also discussed it publicly, no doubt as part of said rehab but also because there is a massive need for men in particular to get more comfortable in sharing their struggles to avoid catastrophic outcomes. We have a dedicated thread in this very forum for the same reason.

I think you're waffling incoherently at times in this thread because you are so strongly committed to not being seen to take a backwards step. I'll be honest, that frustrates me, but so as not to be a hypocrite I will say this: I am sorry that you think there is no ability to control poor mental health, and I hope that isn't a POV based on experience. On the off-chance you ARE struggling, and are finding it hard to open up then my DMs are open. Take care.


Back on topic: Sign him up but if we can't I'd take Mitrovic on a sensible salary, NEA.

 

[b-rad]

Now who is putting people into boxes?
You would think i was this guy View attachment 311158

Problem i see with this sort of opinion is you see it so black & white, there is so much grey to discuss, but you are so quick to jump on what you think should be the appropriate opinion they share on this morning, that each side is so extreme

Footballers go through a huge sacrifice from a very young age, work extremely hard and give up a lot to earn that money in an industry worth billions, if it was that easy to do everyone would do it.
So yes, the footballers, should be the ones to reap the rewards that the game makes.

I had to go back to check that it was you who posted this...

With the greatest of respect, if he's gone as far as being suicidal, he is obviously not cut out for football anymore.
Its a work environment were you just cannot be like that and survive

If that's the case, quitting football will be what saves his life...................................................oh no wait, that would mean giving up his £80k per week wouldn't it.

I'm not being "quick to jump on what you think should be the appropriate opinion they share on this morning". I'm not suggesting everything is black and white. In fact, I'm suggesting that mental health is a complex issue, and one that can affect anyone. This is the opposite of jumping on an extreme side.

Stating that he is "obviously not cut out for football" because he isn't mentally strong doesn't seem like allowing for all of the 'grey' middle area.

 

[Toffeepot]

I would say Dom & Roy Keane are 2 completely different personality's who's thought processes aren't the same.

A)Some people use that sort of stuff for fuel to improve
B)Some people get bogged down in it and it can effect them to an extent they cant perform

Some people can be A at a young age but eventually get ground down and become B
Some people can be in the middle, some people can be a bit of both, it what makes everyone human

you made the assumption that Dom hasn't the mental strength/cares too much to survive at this level, but he has survived.
There's not a striker in the league that would do well on the pitch during both an injury ridden spell and Dycheball

Obviously Keane and Dom are different personalities, but to suggest Dom hasn't been trying to improve is not grounded in anything
He didn't even have a 1 on 1 coach under Dyche and most of our judgement of him as a player is from that period, which also involved recovering from injury or being injured.

Anyway, to your original point, he will have no problem 'surviving' in the PL should he stay in it, whether it is with us or not.

 

[b-rad]

The poor thing here is that those defending DCLs right to have his mental health respected are prepared to indulge in a pile on of a fellow poster.

That's contradictory...at best.

Or...those who have experience with mental health are prepared to challenge ignorant and unhelpful opinions on a subject in a respectful manner.

 

[Raino85]

So... Is mental strength real or not?!:


Nobody has lapped anything up based on a trigger phrase here except you, mate. The rest of us simply responded empathetically to a young boy talking about feeling anguish so extreme that, despite what seems from the outside like a lavish existence, he briefly considered that it would be better for everyone if he wasn't here anymore.

Of course he has utilised the help of professionals in his rehab. He also discussed it publicly, no doubt as part of said rehab but also because there is a massive need for men in particular to get more comfortable in sharing their struggles to avoid catastrophic outcomes. We have a dedicated thread in this very forum for the same reason.

I think you're waffling incoherently at times in this thread because you are so strongly committed to not being seen to take a backwards step. I'll be honest, that frustrates me, but so as not to be a hypocrite I will say this: I am sorry that you think there is no ability to control poor mental health, and I hope that isn't a POV based on experience. On the off-chance you ARE struggling, and are finding it hard to open up then my DMs are open. Take care.


Back on topic: Sign him up but if we can't I'd take Mitrovic on a sensible salary, NEA.

Straight from the phrase book of 'how to gaslight someone'

I'm sorry that you are offended by my actions instead of 'i am sorry for my actions'

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

Straight from the phrase book of 'how to gaslight someone'

I'm sorry that you are offended by my actions instead of 'i am sorry for my actions'

Did you even read the rest of the sentence/post?!

You're descending further into incoherence here mate, and I made a good faith gesture (which still stands) to chat further if you need it but on this particular topic I think I will leave it there.

 

[Raino85]

you made the assumption that Dom hasn't the mental strength/cares too much to survive at this level, but he has survived.
There's not a striker in the league that would do well on the pitch during both an injury ridden spell and Dycheball

Obviously Keane and Dom are different personalities, but to suggest Dom hasn't been trying to improve is not grounded in anything
He didn't even have a 1 on 1 coach under Dyche and most of our judgement of him as a player is from that period, which also involved recovering from injury or being injured.

Anyway, to your original point, he will have no problem 'surviving' in the PL should he stay in it, whether it is with us or not.

Chris Wood

All very white knight in here

 

[Raino85]

Did you even read the rest of the sentence/post?!

You're descending further into incoherence here mate, and I made a good faith gesture (which still stands) to chat further if you need it but on this particular topic I think I will leave it there.

Again, another gaslighting comment at its finest, implying that i have a problem.

 

[JimmyJeffers]

 

[Groucho]

Its like when people say 'you can fight cancer' you cant!

So... Is mental strength real or not?!:

Depends on the person and the particular type of cancer and yes mental strength is a real thing.

Of course mental power will not rid someone of cancer however positivity does go a long way.

And yes before anyone asks I have several medical qualifications and deal with chemotherapy for cancer treatment on a weekly basis so don’t pull any funny stuff.

Back to topic please anyway.