2024/25 David Moyes


Drico said:
Yes, he does. Where we differ is I wouldn't wait around to replace him. The job has changed now from what he was hired to do, so if the Friedkins are the visionary owners we're led to believe, I see no reason why they would delay their plan A.

But, let's assume they are more conservative than some of us hope for. Then, Moyes is a good choice for 12 months. My concern is the Friedkins won't be happy with Moyes-level progress once he hits either his traditional slow start, cup exits to lower league sides, or bad run of form where he can't buy a result. They will pull the trigger and we'll be left with Moyes players but a search for a new manager. This falling between two stools has to be avoided like the plague. I can see that happening - and I have no appetite for it.

If he stays on, they need to commit fully to him for the next 12 months. No trigger-finger in November.
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You seem to think just because this new mob has come in that we suddenly have limitless funds and can buy whomever we want.

I think you have unrealistic expectations.
 
windymiller said:
If you say so. I'm lucky enough to be old enough to have seen us win something but there's a whole generation who haven't. Look at how the barcodes reacted to winning the league cup. I'm not lashing them, I think their reaction was perfectly justified. Winning things matter. It's weird to me that people prioritise qualifying for Europe over trying to actually win something. I get why clubs do it, it's cash innit, but the fans? I also think that losing begets losing and winning is a culture.

The example you gave is maybe fair enough, relegation would be a disaster, but loads of posters had the same attitude to the cups when we were a regular top half side. It's weird.

I would take an FA cup, a league cup or a Europa Conference League over a fourth place finish and a subsequent first knockout phase exit from the Champions League every day of the week. UEFA, Sky, TNT Sports and the football money machine have convinced everyone that making up the numbers in the CL is the second highest achievement in club football (after winning the CL) but it's not.
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Football has changed since then.

Remember portsmouth won the league cup and were that brassic they couldn't pay the registration fee for the european spot they'd got from it? (they then missed out).

Halcyon days, I bet they're all warm and tingly still.

Remember how every season there is a breakdown of the top 20 earning sides? Do you think it's a coincidence that the highest earners tend to be in the mix for the trophies every year?

We've been redeveloping and/or moving from Goodison for 35 years. The club has to earn more money.

It always boils down to 'a knife to a gun fight', and for pointing out the facts and for telling the truth certain people are vilified because 'nil satis' and 'ambition'.

FA cup, since we won 94-95...
Scab six except for... portsmouth 07-08, wigan 12-13, leicester 20-21. These three sides have something in common. 4 wins outside scab 6.

League cup?
same 30 years, scab 6 + villa, leicester x 2, blackburn, middlesboro, birmingham, swansea, newcastle. 8 wins outside scab 6, newcastle murder regime money not withstanding. Funnily enough, these seven sides have the same something in common as in the fa cup three.

I think it's easy to say, 'let's just win something', sadly in action it's not quite so simple.
 
Rita_Poon said:
Football has changed since then.

Remember portsmouth won the league cup and were that brassic they couldn't pay the registration fee for the european spot they'd got from it? (they then missed out).

Halcyon days, I bet they're all warm and tingly still.

Remember how every season there is a breakdown of the top 20 earning sides? Do you think it's a coincidence that the highest earners tend to be in the mix for the trophies every year?

We've been redeveloping and/or moving from Goodison for 35 years. The club has to earn more money.

It always boils down to 'a knife to a gun fight', and for pointing out the facts and for telling the truth certain people are vilified because 'nil satis' and 'ambition'.

FA cup, since we won 94-95...
Scab six except for... portsmouth 07-08, wigan 12-13, leicester 20-21. These three sides have something in common. 4 wins outside scab 6.

League cup?
same 30 years, scab 6 + villa, leicester x 2, blackburn, middlesboro, birmingham, swansea, newcastle. 8 wins outside scab 6, newcastle murder regime money not withstanding. Funnily enough, these seven sides have the same something in common as in the fa cup three.

I think it's easy to say, 'let's just win something', sadly in action it's not quite so simple.
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And guess who took Pompey’s place? That lot!!!
 
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JobForTheMoyes said:
You seem to think just because this new mob has come in that we suddenly have limitless funds and can buy whomever we want.

I think you have unrealistic expectations.
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You seem to be willing words and strawman arguments into my mouth simply because you are a fanboy.

The new owners have plenty of money, but we will be restricted in our use of those funds. Far better to have the man these new owners truly want to spend their money in place than the man who was a stopgap and dug them out of a temporary hole.

Moyes did a fine job in rescuing their investment. He is hardly their man for the future, however. If that's the case, the time to move on is next month.
 
Drico said:
You seem to be willing words and strawman arguments into my mouth simply because you are a fanboy.

The new owners have plenty of money, but we will be restricted in our use of those funds. Far better to have the man these new owners truly want to spend their money in place than the man who was a stopgap and dug them out of a temporary hole.

Moyes did a fine job in rescuing their investment. He is hardly their man for the future, however. If that's the case, the time to move on is next month.
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well they will back him mate he’s staying
 
Rita_Poon said:
Football has changed since then.

Remember portsmouth won the league cup and were that brassic they couldn't pay the registration fee for the european spot they'd got from it? (they then missed out).

Halcyon days, I bet they're all warm and tingly still.

Remember how every season there is a breakdown of the top 20 earning sides? Do you think it's a coincidence that the highest earners tend to be in the mix for the trophies every year?

We've been redeveloping and/or moving from Goodison for 35 years. The club has to earn more money.

It always boils down to 'a knife to a gun fight', and for pointing out the facts and for telling the truth certain people are vilified because 'nil satis' and 'ambition'.

FA cup, since we won 94-95...
Scab six except for... portsmouth 07-08, wigan 12-13, leicester 20-21. These three sides have something in common. 4 wins outside scab 6.

League cup?
same 30 years, scab 6 + villa, leicester x 2, blackburn, middlesboro, birmingham, swansea, newcastle. 8 wins outside scab 6, newcastle murder regime money not withstanding. Funnily enough, these seven sides have the same something in common as in the fa cup three.

I think it's easy to say, 'let's just win something', sadly in action it's not quite so simple.
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I think you have massively misunderstood what I've said. I've not said "let's win something" like some kind of 8 year old, what I'm saying is let's prioritise trying to win something over finishing a position or two higher in the league. Don't sacrifice a cup run to finish 9th instead of 12th or even to finish 4th instead of 6th. The only time you should sacrifice a cup run for league position is if you're trading 2nd for 1st, in my opinion.

All your posts have done is prove what I said earlier, that many posters here would rather finish higher in the league than actually winning a supposedly lesser competition. For me, and I accept that there are other views on this, there is no right or wrong, I would much rather win the league cup than qualify for the Champions League. I understand the financial differences between those two things and, frankly, I don't care. Winning things is always better than anything else. The worst thing that has resulted from the formation of the Premier League and the Champions League and everything of that ilk (I'm thinking of the new format Club World Cup, for example) is to convince football fans that balance sheets are more important than trophies. I've got no interest in winning the accountancy. Give me a league cup any day.
 

windymiller said:
I think you have massively misunderstood what I've said. I've not said "let's win something" like some kind of 8 year old, what I'm saying is let's prioritise trying to win something over finishing a position or two higher in the league. Don't sacrifice a cup run to finish 9th instead of 12th or even to finish 4th instead of 6th. The only time you should sacrifice a cup run for league position is if you're trading 2nd for 1st, in my opinion.

All your posts have done is prove what I said earlier, that many posters here would rather finish higher in the league than actually winning a supposedly lesser competition. For me, and I accept that there are other views on this, there is no right or wrong, I would much rather win the league cup than qualify for the Champions League. I understand the financial differences between those two things and, frankly, I don't care. Winning things is always better than anything else. The worst thing that has resulted from the formation of the Premier League and the Champions League and everything of that ilk (I'm thinking of the new format Club World Cup, for example) is to convince football fans that balance sheets are more important than trophies. I've got no interest in winning the accountancy. Give me a league cup any day.
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did you spot the common theme of the 10 sides?
 
do you know how hard it one of these ‘lesser cups’ below is a breakdown of the winners of the league and FA cups over the past 10 years. Simply having a better mentality won’t change a lot immediately. Growth is not linear and it definitely won’t be fast. Moyes is a great manager for us now and has already improved us immensely. I hope that in 2-3 years under him we will be challenging for those European spots. But demanding cups right now is massively unrealistic because these cups are predominately won by the same teams with a stronger second squad than most teams first

  • Manchester City – 6 wins
  • Manchester United – 4 wins
  • Arsenal – 3 wins
  • Liverpool – 3 wins
  • Chelsea – 2 wins
  • Leicester City – 1 win
  • Newcastle United – 1 win
  • Wigan Athletic – 1 win
 
Drico said:
You seem to be willing words and strawman arguments into my mouth simply because you are a fanboy.

The new owners have plenty of money, but we will be restricted in our use of those funds. Far better to have the man these new owners truly want to spend their money in place than the man who was a stopgap and dug them out of a temporary hole.

Moyes did a fine job in rescuing their investment. He is hardly their man for the future, however. If that's the case, the time to move on is next month.
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Absolutely no chance of that happening , in my opinion.
 

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