Runcorn

[AndyRJ]

It still stands that if you talk down to the electorate you lose them. No matter how often you print Reform in upper case.

Well no-one is voting for me so I couldn't care less. My issue isn't with how well educted anyone is, it's the fact that these people swallow whatever they read in the media without actually doing simple basic fact checking to understand if it is actually true and appear incapable of critical thinking.

 

[widnesblue]

The issue with that is that REFORM are just failed Tories in disguise, how anyone thinks they represent them is beyond me. I assume it's because they make a lot noise about immigration and, like i said earlier, people have been convinved that all their problems are being caused by people who largely haven't got a pot to pee in

I think people are failing to realise that they are ex Tories. But the same people voting for reform, will be the first to call you a Tory if you disagree with them. The same people will be slating immigrants, will be the same people with Irish surnames. They know how to get the ear of people, something labour and Tories struggle with. It’s a difficult situation that isn’t going to be resolved and the easy target to blame is immigration. The mass immigration, will always be the cause of blame for what the real issues are. Sadly, that’s the narrative, no matter how wrong it is.

A big issue with immigration is people are convinced they receive a lot more than they actually do. In Runcorn, think read a stat that over 600 immigrants aren’t registered to anywhere and then they receive accommodation and funds. That’s what people in Runcorn are angry and annoyed at. Not just Runcorn, in majority of towns or cities where they’ve been left to rot. Farage, for an absolute plum of a human being, he knows how to get people into believing in him, in the vile stuff he sprouts.

 

[widnesblue]

Another thing to add regarding Runcorn, they are under Halton council, and the council are so skint at the minute. They are so skint, that they are trying to cut the bin men’s working hours down, laying off the street scene staff who look after the parks and cut grass.

 

[NeilMorepies]

It seems like there is a one to one correlation between places in England with large turnouts for Reform and places in England with statistically unlikely numbers of webbed feet and hands

 

[AndyRJ]

Another thing to add regarding Runcorn, they are under Halton council, and the council are so skint at the minute. They are so skint, that they are trying to cut the bin men’s working hours down, laying off the street scene staff who look after the parks and cut grass.

Halton Council are Labour. What I see a lot of people doing is blaming issues that ultimately stem from Central Government on their local council. These same people fail to understand how local councils are funded, the cost pressures they are under, and how the changes to council funding brought in by the Tories impacted far greater on less affluent areas like Halton which are traditional Labour strongholds.

 

[heatmeiser]

former Conservative councillor Sarah Pochin overturned a 14,696 majority to take the Cheshire seat for Reform.

Tells you everything you need to know really

 

[widnesblue]

Halton Council are Labour. What I see a lot of people doing is blaming issues that ultimately stem from Central Government on their local council. These same people fail to understand how local councils are funded, the cost pressures they are under, and how the changes to council funding brought in by the Tories impacted far greater on less affluent areas like Halton which are traditional Labour strongholds.

Absolutely but people put them all in the same boat and blame councils and so on, that’s what people in Runcorn will be blaming it on too.

I work in education and based in Warrington, I’ve seen first hand the damage the tories done to that council with funds, especially funds in the educational system.

Maybe if the media didn’t put a narrative out there, these people would be a bit more informed and understanding.

 

[COYBL25]

It's that type of conclusion that ended up with Trump in the White House.

Exactly this.

 

[Alanbileysfeathercut]

It's that type of conclusion that ended up with Trump in the White House.

And arguably Brexit

 

[PITA]

It's not so much about the specific party whether it be in the UK, US, France or Germany, it's about the populist wave spreading throughout much of the West. It's either that or an old fashioned protest vote. I think it's more likely the former than the latter. Much more to come. The tragedy being it was all so avoidable.

I thought that you were a Trump supporter.

 

[PITA]

Maybe if they get the winter fuel payment back it will pay for the private health care, just a thought .

It might pay for a filling by a private dentist.

 

[Brett Angell Delight]

This was always on the cards because of the absolute mess the Tories have left the country in. I said before Labour were voted in that people wouldn't give them time and so it appears to be proving the case.

You can't fix the last 14 years in one parliamentary term let alone 12 months.

I see people constantly calling them 'Liars' and a 'Disaster' on Social Media but I'm yet to have anyone prove what they have specifically lied about or been a disaster on.

Unfortunately, the people who helped keep the Tories in government for 14 years are all now turning to REFORM and Labour are losing voters as a result of unpopular decisions such as means testing the Winter Fuel Allowance for the wealthiest generation in history.

Immigration/ asylum is also a huge thing for a lot of people. All of whom seem to have selective amnesia and are blaming this on Labour. They have been convinced that the relatively tiny number of people risking their lives in small boats are representative of the overal Net Migration figure and believe this is the cause of all the problems in this country.

Let's get one thing straight, the issue with the asylum system and the housing in hotels and private accommodation is a manufactured crisis. The Tories underfunded and slowed down the asylum process on purpose. It wasn't a necessity to do this, it was a choice. They then used it as a political weapon to create anger and division. Classic Tory gaslighting; create chaos then blame the people at the bottom with nothing

I don't think anyone expected Labour to fix 14 years of disastrous leadership in one year, mate. The least the majority DID expect, I assume, is some progress towards wealth taxes on individuals, windfall taxes on energy companies, etc, to put a good chunk extra in the coffers to help ensure the needs of the worst off were going to be met.

What we got instead was a Winter death sentence for a good number of elderly people, a cut to PIP payments for some of the most vulnerable in our society, continued vociferous support for a genocidal regime and some mad little token gesture of adding VAT to Private School fees.

When people feel so badly failed by the people they elected to save them from the last lot of tyrants, the country turns into 2:50am at the Krazy House and Reform are always gonna be the first monstrosity they see when the lights come back on.

The country is somehow even more doomed than it already was, and the crushing part of it all is the sheer avoidability of it all.

 

[AndyRJ]

Absolutely but people put them all in the same boat and blame councils and so on, that’s what people in Runcorn will be blaming it on too.

I work in education and based in Warrington, I’ve seen first hand the damage the tories done to that council with funds, especially funds in the educational system.

Maybe if the media didn’t put a narrative out there, these people would be a bit more informed and understanding.

The media are ultimately to blame for all the anger and division...and who controls the media...the people with all the money!

 

[AndyRJ]

I don't think anyone expected Labour to fix 14 years of disastrous leadership in one year, mate. The least the majority DID expect, I assume, is some progress towards wealth taxes on individuals, windfall taxes on energy companies, etc, to put a good chunk extra in the coffers to help ensure the needs of the worst off were going to be met.

What we got instead was a Winter death sentence for a good number of elderly people, a cut to PIP payments for some of the most vulnerable in our society, continued vociferous support for a genocidal regime and some mad little token gesture of adding VAT to Private School fees.

When people feel so badly failed by the people they elected to save them from the last lot of tyrants, the country turns into 2:50am at the Krazy House and Reform are always gonna be the first monstrosity they see when the lights come back on.

The country is somehow even more doomed than it already was, and the crushing part of it all is the sheer avoidability of it all.

Don't get me wrong, Labour absolutely haven't done enough to redress the wealth imbalance. Like you say, had they done something like implementing a one-off wealth tax or taxed energy companies or punished the water authorities etc then people might have been more inclined to swallow some of the other things they've done.

I just don't understand how anyone can think that Reform are speaking for them. They are a gang of failed Tories. That being said, all these council seats they seem to be winning are from the Conservatives.

 

[Thomasc]

People are voting for a party led by a man who says the world leader he admires most is Putin.

Their candidate selection guy praised Hitler and Assad.

Their leader is also responsible for the car crash that is Brexit, a notorious grifter and recently made money advising people how to avoid paying tax.

You tell this to reform voters and they respond with a laughing emoji.

Personally I’d bring iq testing in to allow voting.