Sandhills station

Tom Hughes said:
I repeat......The transport plan was "published" over 5 yrs ago. It was fully in the public domain and was even covered, at least in part, during the consultation process before that. I raised my reservations and concerns before, during and many times after they were published. I haven't changed my stance one bit.

You're now claiming that you knew nothing about the plans, yet somehow say I "cannot sustain my argument".... while blissfully wallowing in your own self-confessed ignorance on the matter.

Brilliant, once again you have been shown to have simply presented a contrary argument about something you know nothing about. Well done!
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Yes, and 5 years ago was when the stadium application was submitted.

You expect every fan to have been on the ball over the city's transportation capacity and the regional and city authorities plans or absence of plans to improve the infrastructure in that part of it that covered the location of the new stadium.

That's absurd. It's a technocrats arrogance that all fans should have perfect knowledge of all aspects of a stadium development.

Oh, by the way, I just checked on posting history on the New Stadium thread regarding questions over transportation concerns:

You started voicing concerns about the site over that particular issue in 2020...I was bringing the topic up back in 2016 when the Joe Anderson plan was first mooted.


Here's me voicing concerns about it back in 2016...defending the Blue Union's reservations on the issue against...your mate @Jacko93....

davek

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Jacko93 said:
Once the details are ready to be announced, they will be announced. The BU just try to use situations such as this to give themselves a feeling of self importance. They actually create a divide in the fan base, and as such I believe that with Everton's best interests at heart, they should keep fan engagements to a singular level on a much wider scale, rather than with 'fan groups'.

I just wish that the BU would stop thinking that they speak for Evertonians everywhere. They don't. Anything that they think they can bring to the table, can be brought to the table by a whole number...
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davek said:
Yes, and 5 years ago was when the stadium application was submitted.

You expect every fan to have been on the ball over the city's transportation capacity and the regional and city authorities plans or absence of plans to improve the infrastructure in that part of it that covered the location of the new stadium.

That's absurd. It's a technocrats arrogance that all fans should have perfect knowledge of all aspects of a stadium development.

Oh, by the way, I just checked on posting history on the New Stadium thread regarding questions over transportation concerns:

You started voicing concerns about the site over that particular issue in 2020...I was bringing the topic up back in 2016 when the Joe Anderson plan was first mooted.


Here's me voicing concerns about it back in 2016...defending the Blue Union's reservations on the issue against...your mate @Jacko93....

davek

Post in thread 'New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium'

Jacko93 said:
Once the details are ready to be announced, they will be announced. The BU just try to use situations such as this to give themselves a feeling of self importance. They actually create a divide in the fan base, and as such I believe that with Everton's best interests at heart, they should keep fan engagements to a singular level on a much wider scale, rather than with 'fan groups'.

I just wish that the BU would stop thinking that they speak for Evertonians everywhere. They don't. Anything that they think they can bring to the table, can be brought to the table by a whole number...
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Just sayin....
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Why have you copied me into this and brought up a post from 2016 where I was questioning why the BU thought they needed to be specifically consulted as a group on the stadium location and hold conversations with the then mayor. I have no idea what your trying to prove, or even what your point is.

That's twice you've used the term technocrat and I'm starting to think you dont actually known what it means. A technocrat is an expert in their field (I'm not by the way, im just experienced in it) yet these are the very people that you are continuously arguing with and being on the wrong side. Nobody expects anybody to know everything, but Tom has proven time and time again that he knows what he is on about. Yet, despite him not once changing his stance in his entire time commenting on this subject on here, you consistently take up the opposite stance.

Are you OK?
 
Jacko93 said:
Why have you copied me into this and brought up a post from 2016 where I was questioning why the BU thought they needed to be specifically consulted as a group on the stadium location and hold conversations with the then mayor. I have no idea what your trying to prove, or even what your point is.

That's twice you've used the term technocrat and I'm starting to think you dont actually known what it means. A technocrat is an expert in their field (I'm not by the way, im just experienced in it) yet these are the very people that you are continuously arguing with and being on the wrong side. Nobody expects anybody to know everything, but Tom has proven time and time again that he knows what he is on about. Yet, despite him not once changing his stance in his entire time commenting on this subject on here, you consistently take up the opposite stance.

Are you OK?
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Nerve touched here, I think...
 

He's going to tag along with Andy Burnham to see if he can get a photo op £90B investment for the North.

How hard do we reckon he'll be lobbying (or getting Burnham to lobby for) transport improvements for the north docks?



'Northern Arc' now not the Northern Powerhouse....yada yada yada....
 

There is a LOT of groundwork going on around Sandhills station,

All of the concreted area has machinery working on it as of the weekend. Unsure if they are expanding it but I know it was mentioned previously.

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I know what I would like to see happen. Mirror sandhills to the other side of the road which woudl double capacity of the station. for event situations, have a North bound and a Southbound station. Tht way you can have two trains in at once, fill both trains at the same time and not have a platform as over crowded. You would double your space for waiting as they would be at two seperate stations and it would make crowd management much easier.

Train enters Sandhills A and allows disembarkation, then forward to Sandhills B to get filled and carry on Northwards.
Train enters Sandhills B and allows disembarkation, then forward to Sandhills A to get filled and carry on Southwards.

Doesn't look like the land is used for anything, the structure of the rail section is very similar and its just wasteland where the crowd management systems would go. You don't need a ticket office, you don't need it to be fancy as it would only be in operation during events. covered Island platform, bridge/ramp access, covered crowd area. Sorted
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If there's land you don't even need much infrastructure, just a crowd barrier system that releases onto the platform. If you look at the tram stops in Manchester both for Etihad (and the new arena) and Old Trafford (Cricket and football) they don't have big stations, just a barrier system that enables several hundred people in the system, and then they can be released 1 trainload at a time.
 
@Jacko93 great idea . Believe it or not the land to the North of Sandhills Lane is where the station used to be a century ago ! There was a booking office and staircases up to either side .There were 4 platforms on the mainline and another one for the branch that went down the docks. . They knew what they were doing in them days. Pretty sure Network Rail will still own that land.
 
dockroad said:
@Jacko93 great idea . Believe it or not the land to the North of Sandhills Lane is where the station used to be a century ago ! There was a booking office and staircases up to either side .There were 4 platforms on the mainline and another one for the branch that went down the docks. . They knew what they were doing in them days. Pretty sure Network Rail will still own that land.
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I wasn't aware that a station previously existed, but it makes sense. That boudoir also mean that the standing ground would be suitable to house a platform. Much of it coudl probably be done of site, modular, then simply craned into place. If the land parallel is owned by Network Rail already, then even better

The biggest issue with Sandhills is capacity on an island platform. This resolves that without Sandhills being out of action at any point.
 

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