Sandhills station

[kenada_blue]

Merseyrail's lack of capacity is a problem, but it's only London where you get tube style capacity and frequency. A new station would mean you could filter Sandhills for people travelling north on the Southport/Kirkby/Ormskirk lines and Vauxhall for people heading to the city centre then that would relieve much of the congestion.

Sandhills isn't really fit for purpose either and is still a trek from the ground, particularly if you're heading to town anyway. A new station could be better designed to manage crowds.

They won't build a "new" station at a new location. They'll repurpose old ones or extend current ones whether it's the Baltic one on the old St James station, Headbolt Lane, or extending Sandhills.

Either way, they can only improve what's already there and the issue is they're not improving the main one at Sandhills - but can pump £100mill into the Baltic

 

[davek]

Spot on Dave, we have our differences but the LCCR have been shown up for what they are, as well as Tom Hughes, it doesn't matter if you've worked on or had experience in these areas, it doesn't meant they're right.

We're being left behind because of people like that. How can you honestly justify a £100'm investment to build a station at a honey pot site for the younger generation and claim it's to relieve stress at central station? Which isn't even under stress!!

Then also say a 53k seater stadium will only be used fortnightly so it didn't make sense.

It's honestly head banging stuff.

The technocrats have been handed their arses on this thread (they know who they are).

They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing.

 

[davek]

I would imagine that any additional transport infrastructure invested in, in that area won’t necessarily take place until such time as the surrounding area has been developed to ‘push the city centre’ a little more north where there would be more footfall more regularly than once a fortnight. Similar really also to the Baltic triangle which has underwent development over the last 10-15 years.

This is EXACTLY what Commander Steve has said.

Only when there's a line of offices and residential areas stretching from the city centre to Bootle will the demand meet with LCR's criteria to bother central government for more cash...

...while the fraud is busy telling everyone this stadium has handed a quantum jump to the north end of the city...but it'll take 10 years or more to service it.

The feller is riding two horses at once, and the very strange (not to mention disappointing) thing is that he has mates on here pushing his nonsensical and duplicitous agenda.

 

[peteblue]

All I ever read on here is about railway stations and trains, which takes forever to put in place. Yet the football buses used to get very large crowds to and from GP from all over Merseyside. What’s happening in terms of utilising buses to move the mass of spectators, or indeed music fans etc etc to and from BMD……

 

[murphy89]

A new station would mean you could filter Sandhills for people travelling north on the Southport/Kirkby/Ormskirk lines and Vauxhall for people heading to the city centre then that would relieve much of the congestion

Could you not do this now with the soccer bus? So if you’re travelling into the city centre you get the soccer bus as there is no access to Sandhills for that route?

People walk past the soccer bus to queue up and get the train into town.

 

[murphy89]

All I ever read on here is about railway stations and trains, which takes forever to put in place. Yet the football buses used to get very large crowds to and from GP from all over Merseyside. What’s happening in terms of utilising buses to move the mass of spectators, or indeed music fans etc etc to and from BMD……

They exist to some extent. You can get the soccer bus direct into the city centre or to Bootle strand.

My opinion is they need a few more routes across the city

 

[gazzaa2]

This is EXACTLY what Commander Steve has said.

Only when there's a line of offices and residential areas stretching from the city centre to Bootle will the demand meet with LCR's criteria to bother central government for more cash...

...while the fraud is busy telling everyone this stadium has handed a quantum jump to the north end of the city...but it'll take 10 years or more to service it.

The feller is riding two horses at once, and the very strange (not to mention disappointing) thing is that he has mates on here pushing his nonsensical and duplicitous agenda.

It's the way the city operates. Yet development around Ten Streets/Vauxhall remains stagnant and Stanley Dock Warehouse stays stalled because there's no infrastructure. Everton's stadium should have facilitated more infrastructure which then leads to more development.

I'd love to know the business case for wasting 100 million on another station in Steve's home town of Kirkby while Bramley Moore was in planning.

 

[gazzaa2]

Could you not do this now with the soccer bus? So if you’re travelling into the city centre you get the soccer bus as there is no access to Sandhills for that route?

People walk past the soccer bus to queue up and get the train into town.

You can, but you still need multiple transport methods to shift 52000 people in and out when they don't want anyone in cars within a mile of the ground.

 

[Tom Hughes]

This is EXACTLY what Commander Steve has said.

Only when there's a line of offices and residential areas stretching from the city centre to Bootle will the demand meet with LCR's criteria to bother central government for more cash...

...while the fraud is busy telling everyone this stadium has handed a quantum jump to the north end of the city...but it'll take 10 years or more to service it.

The feller is riding two horses at once, and the very strange (not to mention disappointing) thing is that he has mates on here pushing his nonsensical and duplicitous agenda.

Some of us have been questioning the transport plan since it was first published over 5 yrs ago, when all of the transport provision was clearly outlined. Where have you been hiding? What has not been delivered, or has been changed from that plan in the meantime?

 

[davek]

It's the way the city operates. Yet development around Ten Streets/Vauxhall remains stagnant and Stanley Dock Warehouse stays stalled because there's no infrastructure. Everton's stadium should have facilitated more infrastructure which then leads to more development.

I'd love to know the business case for wasting 100 million on another station in Steve's home town of Kirkby while Bramley Moore was in planning.

They've been talking that up for well over a decade. But the council knew they never had the gumption for it and decided that Everton would take care of it for them in some way, because you cant have development at BMD and not see a development in between there and the city centre...eventually.

It's probably one of the major reasons the stadium P.A. was passed. The only problem being that it was Everton supporters who'd pay the price of the long term development.

 

[davek]

Some of us have been questioning the transport plan since it was first published over 5 yrs ago, when all of the transport provision was clearly outlined. Where have you been hiding? What has not been delivered, or has been changed from that plan in the meantime?

...oh, I think I already handed you a timeline on my reservations on the transport situation in this thread. You must have (conveniently) missed it.

 

[Tom Hughes]

...oh, I think I already handed you a timeline on my reservations on the transport situation in this thread. You must have (conveniently) missed it.

You did, you showed that in 5 years you posted almost nothing (feel free to repost them). Certainly nothing in comparison to your recent outright condemnation and even calls for the project to have been cancelled at planning. Did you demand that then? If not, why not.....? You were told exactly what was going to be put in place, and yet only expressed some mild reservations a couple of times.

 

[davek]

You did, you showed that in 5 years you posted almost nothing (feel free to repost them). Certainly nothing in comparison to your recent outright condemnation and even calls for the project to have been cancelled at planning. Did you demand that then? If not, why not.....? You were told exactly what was going to be put in place, and yet only expressed some mild reservations a couple of times.

How could I or anyone else possibly demand what was at that stage only known to the concerned parties?

I, like most people, never dreamt that transport would be such an issue that a local council would pass a stadium proposal that would endanger the lives of its citizens on a bi-weekly basis.

I fear you're raising too high a bar here in your effort to be seen as the man with his finger on the pulse.

Look, a stadium planning application was passed...one that if it had been proposed at Kirkby you'd have been clutching your pearls about and demanding it never get off the drawing board.

Ultimately you hold a contradictory position: you both recognise the shortcomings of the stadium application and its transport element, but now that the stadium is here you seek to accommodate it and criticise the club rather than the local authority for it getting built with transportation shortcomings.

No one on here can make sense of that 'reasoning', and that's why you cant quite sustain your argument.

 

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[Tom Hughes]

How could I or anyone else possibly demand what was at that stage only known to the concerned parties?

I, like most people, never dreamt that transport would be such an issue that a local council would pass a stadium proposal that would endanger the lives of its citizens on a bi-weekly basis.

I fear you're raising too high a bar here in your effort to be seen as the man with his finger on the pulse.

Look, a stadium planning application was passed...one that if it had been proposed at Kirkby you'd have been clutching your pearls about and demanding it never get off the drawing board.

Ultimately you hold a contradictory position: you both recognise the shortcomings of the stadium application and its transport element, but now that the stadium is here you seek to accommodate it and criticise the club rather than the local authority for it getting built with transportation shortcomings.

No one on here can make sense of that 'reasoning', and that's why you cant quite sustain your argument.

I repeat......The transport plan was "published" over 5 yrs ago. It was fully in the public domain and was even covered, at least in part, during the consultation process before that. I raised my reservations and concerns before, during and many times after they were published. I haven't changed my stance one bit.

You're now claiming that you knew nothing about the plans, yet somehow say I "cannot sustain my argument".... while blissfully wallowing in your own self-confessed ignorance on the matter.

Brilliant, once again you have been shown to have simply presented a contrary argument about something you know nothing about. Well done!