Merseyside monachrists

Are you for or against the Monarchy

  • For

    Votes: 37 19.7%

  • Against

    Votes: 109 58.0%

  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 42 22.3%
  • Total voters
    188
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Sarnia Kevin said:
I'm not a monarchist, but you have to face up to the reality that, if we didn't have a monarch, we would have some failed politician calling him/herself President instead. And of course he/she would have to be held in reverence by us plebs and kept in luxury for the time of his/her tenure, plus we would be expected to put up with Presidential elections every 4 or 5 years. At least with a monarchy the head of state is more or less self electing. And I don't think King Charles is any more or less embarrassing than Joe Biden, Macron, Trudeau or any of the others poncing around the world stage. Just my take on it. Anyway, cheese on toast.
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I can't tell if this is sarcasm or if you are deliberately describing the prime minister
 
The only reason the monarchy still exists in this country is apathy & indifference within the masses. Have you noticed how very little 'anti-monarchy' stuff is actually encouraged on tv or in the press ? It's a no-no to view our unelected head of state in anything but a positive way. So if you're told on a regular basis that something, or someone, is good, & there's very little opposition to that claim, then guess what, you're going to believe that something or someone is good. The Royal family are simply the tip of the elitist iceberg that keeps the very rich staying very rich. That's why there's very few wealthy people in this country who'll oppose the existence of the monarchy.

A perfect example of how we're all indoctrinated & brainwashed from an early age was evident on Friday morning when my wife & I took our 3 young grandchildren to school. All the teachers & staff were dressed in black. We were told by our grandkids after school that most of the day was taken up by the teachers talking about what a lovely lady the queen was & what a fine job she had done throughout her life. Times that by the thousands of other schools across the country & you get a picture of the wheels of pro-monarchy turning & doing their job on future generations.

The coverage of the queen's death has been so over the top it's staggeringly untrue. The BBC, as usual, being the main culprits. I don't believe for one second that it's representative of the feelings of the vast majority of this country. I don't believe that millions of people want to watch this fawning 24/7 every single day. It's like they're falling over each other in desperation to show how much love & respect they have for someone who was simply born into an institution that inherited wealth & was a figure head the privileged upper classes.

Anyway, I'm off to listen to 'God save the Queen'. The Sex Pistol's version of course ;)
 

…saw two very scouse ladies being interviewed on Sky News in Edinburgh after queuing through the night to walk past the Queen’s coffin. They said they were now heading to London with their families to do the same at Westminster.
 
davek said:
That doesn't follow at all.

Presidents can be ceremonial in nature with few if any powers. They're elected and they wouldn't cost billions.

I've noticed that argument of yours a lot recently. It's utterly bogus and a fig leaf to hide behind.
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We'd finally need a written constitution in order to be a Republic. Are you seriously saying you trust the current tories to write that without any sort of shenanigans? The very same tories who wanted Prorogue parliament to get what they want?

Speaking of prorogue. Who was it everyone was asking to step in and stop them again?

I don't think I'm the one hiding behind fig leafs.
 

The Legend of Southall said:
We'd finally need a written constitution in order to be a Republic. Are you seriously saying you trust the current tories to write that without any sort of shenanigans? The very same tories who wanted Prorogue parliament to get what they want?

Speaking of prorogue. Who was it everyone was asking to step in and stop them again?

I don't think I'm the one hiding behind fig leafs.
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They didn't though did they?

Royalty have been involved in right wing politics - the Queen intervened to have her old family friend Alex Douglas Hulme made PM during a Tory Party leadership election; she involved herself pushing for a smaller state, she intervene in the Scottish independence debate and before that she involved herself in the granting of devolution. They are not apolitical.

As for a written constitution, what's your arguement there? That would rule out any country anywhere from writing one because the party in power might skew it their way. And constitutions are an evolving process anyway, and in any case a constitution would be the result of politicians and legal experts agreeing on a set of words, codifying what we have now.

No, that fig leaf wont cover it.
 
davek said:
They didn't though did they?

Royalty have been involved in right wing politics - the Queen intervened to have her old family friend Alex Douglas Hulme made PM during a Tory Party leadership election; she involved herself pushing for a smaller state, she intervene in the Scottish independence debate and before that she involved herself in the granting of devolution. They are not apolitical.

As for a written constitution, what's your arguement there? That would rule out any country anywhere from writing one because the party in power might skew it their way. And constitutions are an evolving process anyway, and in any case a constitution would be the result of politicians and legal experts agreeing on a set of words, codifying what we have now.

No, that fig leaf wont cover it.
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Would those be the legal experts the tories are trying hard to replace with ideologues who align with the direction of the party?

Look at Brexit. It should have been easy to get a withdrawal agreement. But no, tories had to shoe horn their own polices into it and look at mess we're left with.

Any attempt at Republicism would be exactly the same.

I get what you're trying to say. But simply removing the monarchy isn't going to fix a thing. Our problems run deeper than that. And for the record, my position isn't one of status quo. It's one of status quo until a viable alternative is found.

We came close with Corbyn, and look what happened there. We as a nation aren't ready yet.

Removing the monarchy too early would be a misstep in my opinion
 

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