SCRAP VAR

[bluenorthwarrior]

A simple change that would make a big immediate difference is making the offside call based on players feet only.

Take away the microanalysis of is someone's shoulder or upper arm leaning in an 'offside, position. Wouldn't fix the problem but would make it much less subjective.

 

[Rooney_Tunes]

A simple change that would make a big immediate difference is making the offside call based on players feet only.

Take away the microanalysis of is someone's shoulder or upper arm leaning in an 'offside, position. Wouldn't fix the problem but would make it much less subjective.

The more subjective they make it the more scope it gives them to be corrupt.

 

[Nymzee]

A simple change that would make a big immediate difference is making the offside call based on players feet only.

Take away the microanalysis of is someone's shoulder or upper arm leaning in an 'offside, position. Wouldn't fix the problem but would make it much less subjective.

I agree. Whilst you can score with your head, shoulder etc. it completely defies the natural position of someone’s body when they’re looking to run.

Used to be advantage to the attacker but when you’re getting goals chalked off for your armpit (Gray) no one can tell me that’s still a thing.

 

[street end]

The grumbles about the west ham disallowed goal I don't agree with. The keeper was caught by bowen off the ball albeit accidently, but the keeper was caught and then unable to get up to defend his goal. There were 4 seconds between the time it took from bowens contact with the keeper and the ball going in the net. Mendy could have gotten up and had a chance to defend the shot had he not been impeded by Bowen. Therefore it has to be disallowed and a foul given. Correct decision.

The offside one for Villa is clearly a wrong decision as he's onside. But the referee blew his whistle 2 seconds before the shot was taken, at which point stones and Diaz in front of the ball stopped defending and stones in particular could have quite easily got in the way of the shot. Ederson also only made a half hearted effort to stop it as he also heard the whistle. For suggestions to say Villa had a good goal ruled out is sensationalism. Quite simply coutinhos shot would highly likely have been blocked before even getting near the goal. That doesn't excuse the decision as it was wrong, but let's not pretend city were trying to get in the way of the shot just to prove a point.

There are two observations I've made from some over exaggerated var hate calls over Saturdays fixtures.

The problem with the West Ham one is now the bar has been set very low and you won’t see that decision given every week, var doesn’t even need to be looking at that, var should be sticking to the offsides and obvious errors, it was a shocking decision that was then backed up by the on pitch ref which made it even worse.

 

[PhilM]

A simple change that would make a big immediate difference is making the offside call based on players feet only.

Take away the microanalysis of is someone's shoulder or upper arm leaning in an 'offside, position. Wouldn't fix the problem but would make it much less subjective.

Technically, offside should be clear cut with any part of the head, body or feet (arm doesn't count), but again these fine VAR margins are detrimental to the game.

Pre-VAR, you would look along the line and there'd be leeway as it was never taken as clear cut with measurements going down to the cm or mm.

I think there should be scope for what is acceptable from the foot rather than being totally precise - e.g. a % either way.

 

[beachy]

Should give 1 foot/30cm benefit of the doubt to the attacker.

Different stride pattern or leaning around the defender shouldn't be penalised.

 

[kenada_blue]

If you got rid of VAR the only thing that would change is goals been given for players who are caught offside by a foreskin.

Other than that I don't see how it's improved the game. Not one bit.

 

[Kurt.]

The grumbles about the west ham disallowed goal I don't agree with. The keeper was caught by bowen off the ball albeit accidently, but the keeper was caught and then unable to get up to defend his goal. There were 4 seconds between the time it took from bowens contact with the keeper and the ball going in the net. Mendy could have gotten up and had a chance to defend the shot had he not been impeded by Bowen. Therefore it has to be disallowed and a foul given. Correct decision.

The offside one for Villa is clearly a wrong decision as he's onside. But the referee blew his whistle 2 seconds before the shot was taken, at which point stones and Diaz in front of the ball stopped defending and stones in particular could have quite easily got in the way of the shot. Ederson also only made a half hearted effort to stop it as he also heard the whistle. For suggestions to say Villa had a good goal ruled out is sensationalism. Quite simply coutinhos shot would highly likely have been blocked before even getting near the goal. That doesn't excuse the decision as it was wrong, but let's not pretend city were trying to get in the way of the shot just to prove a point.

There are two observations I've made from some over exaggerated var hate calls over Saturdays fixtures.

If you think that was a foul on mendy mate you should just give up on football. Mendy made a terrible mistake and faked injury as he knew he’d cocked up.

 

[kenada_blue]

The grumbles about the west ham disallowed goal I don't agree with. The keeper was caught by bowen off the ball albeit accidently, but the keeper was caught and then unable to get up to defend his goal. There were 4 seconds between the time it took from bowens contact with the keeper and the ball going in the net. Mendy could have gotten up and had a chance to defend the shot had he not been impeded by Bowen. Therefore it has to be disallowed and a foul given. Correct decision.

The offside one for Villa is clearly a wrong decision as he's onside. But the referee blew his whistle 2 seconds before the shot was taken, at which point stones and Diaz in front of the ball stopped defending and stones in particular could have quite easily got in the way of the shot. Ederson also only made a half hearted effort to stop it as he also heard the whistle. For suggestions to say Villa had a good goal ruled out is sensationalism. Quite simply coutinhos shot would highly likely have been blocked before even getting near the goal. That doesn't excuse the decision as it was wrong, but let's not pretend city were trying to get in the way of the shot just to prove a point.

There are two observations I've made from some over exaggerated var hate calls over Saturdays fixtures.

Mendy was play acting because he'd just punched the ball out to an opposing player.

Surely VAR takes that into consideration as well as force/excessiveness/impact like they do when they use those words to defend a bad decision?

It's BS.

 

[Tel001]

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[street end]

Lee mason was on var for the West Ham game, he was also on it for when we played Leeds, the clowns have also got him doing Man Utd v Arsenal, I mean wtf.

 

[MrGrumpy]

New technology for offside next year which is done completely by computer that has a chip in the ball and loads of cameras so we know for a fact. It’s in the CL and WC this year

 

[jinkyali]

This has been put in place for the so called super league six imo

The league are so desperate to keep them that perhaps they are colluding using VAR...?

 

[jinkyali]

But it doesn't solve anything because the same crap referees will be making the same crap decisions.

'VAR' is simply video replays. They work in every single other sport that they are used in, because they are used correctly and with full disclosure. There's no reason why the same couldn't happen here.

In my opinion it would change everything if we got rid of it.
To many are relying on it to be picked up by VAR and not actually making any form of decision.

It would remove the comfort blanket and give the ref the ultimate authority again.

 

[BluePeadar]

VAR isn’t the problem at all, in fact it’s an incredibly useful tool that will help football immensely. The problem are the people operating it. People thought refs were crap before so when VAR was brought in it would change that but it doesn’t make any difference if the people controlling VAR are those same crap referees as before.

Doesn’t help either that a lot of the head men are the same that were refereeing in the midst of Ferguson at United, a time where you can even hear former United players come out now saying they know they got preferential treatment from referees, now they’re the ones in charge. It’s madness.

There’s a reason why generally speaking in other European leagues as well as in European competitions that VAR isn’t nearly as much of a hot topic, it’s because the people behind them aren’t nearly as incompetent, when a decision goes against a team in a non-English involved match there’s uproar because it happens so relatively rarely to them whereas here a match week cannot go by without AT LEAST 1 major incident, it’s gotten so bad now that most matches have at least 1, never mind the whole 10 matches between them.

English referees are a disgrace and everyone involved, from the FA, Premier League, PGMOL, former refs and certain people in the media are all complicit. If a player or manager can’t come out after a game when all is said and done and speak their mind on the performance of a person involved in the match without fear of repercussion then what kind of state is the game in at all? If the media, pundits and general public are allowed to rightly criticise players or managers then it’s only fair that they get to speak their mind on whatever they feel like too.

The whole game from top to bottom is a disgrace that’s intended on protecting friends rather than actually doing their job to the highest standard.

Close thread. This nails it all day long. It works in almost every sport and in other leagues. The operators are the problem.