2022/23 Frank Lampard

[Drico]

Who do you suggest Everton football club hire, as a club that hasn't won anything this century, to be our manager then? I assume you want a name brand manager who can magically get us Top 6 in our current financial situation and with our current squad

FFS

I think we should have gone for somebody who wasn't on work experience. That would have sufficed for me.

I mean, there is a whole world of football managers out there - many of whom we could attract thanks to our status of being one of the 20 richest clubs on the planet. But hey, perhaps Frank was indeed the ideal choice. Time will tell.

Fingers crossed.

 

[catcherintherye]

There are 12 league games to play before the WC break (16 games in to season). If Lampard continues his league form from the time he took over you will have 14 points. If he continues this seasons league form you will have 8 points. For reference, after 15 games last season Newcastle had 7 points, their first win coming in their 16th game. Start getting worried if you're in the bottom 3 and there are only 4 or 5 games to play in the season, but until then anything can happen.

I think your point is a fair one, it's a long season.

I'm not sure we can extrapolate from 4 games though!

 

[catcherintherye]

I think we should have gone for somebody who wasn't on work experience. That would have sufficed for me.

I mean, there is a whole world of football managers out there - many of whom we could attract thanks to our status of being one of the 20 richest clubs on the planet. But hey, perhaps Frank was indeed the ideal choice. Time will tell.

Fingers crossed.

I think the idea we can attract all these great managers isnt the case mate.

We have had 1 good appointment in 7 years. And some people were critical of him as well.

 

[Drico]

Well what more could he have done to date? He had a job, he did his job.

Why do you say hes exhausted that capital? Because after 4 close games, with no striker?

I think we have to be prepared to give managers a lot more time than that. He deserves time once the window is closed and hes got his players in.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be given time. I am saying "keep the faith" is a nonsense, sect-like mantra better aimed at the Catholic Church or the Moonies rather than a football club.

My view is that Lampard is a punt, a name appointment. He has done enough to merit building on the fact he kept us up. I hesitate to use the word "achievement" because it is nothing of the sort. So, he deserves time. But there is no "faith" to keep in his appointment if you believe the appointment was one of panciked convenience rather than something more methodical, considered, and informed.

He will get plenty of time from me - after all, what makes anybody think the fools who made so many bad appointments in the past would get it right next time. But faith? Nah. Pure hope and that's about it.

 

[Drico]

I think the idea we can attract all these great managers isnt the case mate.

We have had 1 good appointment in 7 years. And some people were critical of him as well.

I never mentioned "great". "Proven competence" would have been enough. But we went for a name...

 

[St James]

I'm not sure we can extrapolate from 4 games though!

No, I agree, as by the same formula one could say Arsenal to win the league with 114 points.

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I'm not saying he shouldn't be given time. I am saying "keep the faith" is a nonsense, sect-like mantra better aimed at the Catholic Church or the Moonies rather than a football club.

My view is that Lampard is a punt, a name appointment. He has done enough to merit building on the fact he kept us up. I hesitate to use the word "achievement" because it is nothing of the sort. So, he deserves time. But there is no "faith" to keep in his appointment if you believe the appointment was one of panciked convenience rather than something more methodical, considered, and informed.

He will get plenty of time from me - after all, what makes anybody think the fools who made so many bad appointments in the past would get it right next time. But faith? Nah. Pure hope and that's about it.

Semantics, mate

He's done enough to earn time. Nothing more, nothing less. He kept us up in a dire situation, and he rightly won't ever play Andre Gomes ever again

 

[Pittsburgh Footy]

I never mentioned "great". "Proven competence" would have been enough. But we went for a name...

The other choice was literally Vitor Pereira, a guy whose CV included clubs in one team leagues and China

That's the list. We weren't attracting anyone else "better" last season.

Give me a break

 

[Martin Alvito]

I’m not sure we can afford to assume we’ll just pick up all the points we need from a specific run of games. Aside from it never really working out like that, there’s also the possibility of going into a death spiral if we don’t start to pick up soon, where both players and fans lose faith in what’s happening. We need to avoid that if at all possible.

Sure, in practice we'll nick the three from the big boys some, and have some horror shows in six-pointers. We stayed up after the catastrophic Burnley loss by beating the Sky 6 twice at home, taking four of six from Leicester and coming roaring back from a two-goal deficit at home.

I just think that as long as he doesn't leave himself with it all to do down the stretch, cooler heads will prevail in the boardroom given the circumstances.

 

[4737carlin]

I think the idea we can attract all these great managers isnt the case mate.

We have had 1 good appointment in 7 years. And some people were critical of him as well.

Who was the goood appointment? Im going to have a guess and say your talking about Carlo, if so he wasnt a good appointment, he did an awful job and was a terrible fit for us, there was also no chance of him staying long term right at a time when we needed a long term apponitment

 

[Lanolin]

Sure, in practice we'll nick the three from the big boys some, and have some horror shows in six-pointers. We stayed up after the catastrophic Burnley loss by beating the Sky 6 twice at home, taking four of six from Leicester and coming roaring back from a two-goal deficit at home.

I just think that as long as he doesn't leave himself with it all to do down the stretch, cooler heads will prevail in the boardroom given the circumstances.

I hope so. The last thing we need is another managerial change so it should only happen if absolutely necessary. We need to start picking up points soon though because any manager at any club is going to be under severe pressure if they start going 8-10 games without a win.

 

[Martin Alvito]

Who was the goood appointment? Im going to have a guess and say your talking about Carlo, if so he wasnt a good appointment, he did an awful job and was a terrible fit for us, there was also no chance of him staying long term right at a time when we needed a long term apponitment

He did not do an awful job. How he ninjaed out some of those 1-0 wins, I will never know.

He was a poor appointment in the sense that he wasn't what we needed at the time. We brought in a proven manager and backed him to the hilt at a point when we needed to start the rebuild, rather than chase Europe. That said, very few people saw COVID coming at the time of Carlo's appointment, and we might have been able to get over the hump if we had more to work with financially at the time.

Lampard is a much better fit for a rebuild. I'm not sure who we would have appointed at the time if we had gone in that direction.

 

[Drico]

The other choice was literally Vitor Pereira, a guy whose CV included clubs in one team leagues and China

That's the list. We weren't attracting anyone else "better" last season.

Give me a break

And if that is the case, then the issue is whether Lampard - "the best we could do" - is actually good enough to do what needs to be done this season and beyond. My point is: I see no evidence that he is but he deserves his chance to prove people like me wrong. But I have no "faith" or belief of confidence in him that he will. I'm not calling for his head. I just don't rate him, and so appeals to keeping the faith don't really change that.

And I don't think saying "it was either him or Vitor Armband" is all that persuasive an argument for us non-believers. Good luck to Frank - a win tommorrow would be huge - but I'm not optimistic about where all of this is going.

 

[Moomin]

This is true but I feel we are running out of truly woeful teams to help us out. There’s only Bournemouth this season.

They will beat us.

 

[Eggsyblueskin]

I think we should have gone for somebody who wasn't on work experience. That would have sufficed for me.

I mean, there is a whole world of football managers out there - many of whom we could attract thanks to our status of being one of the 20 richest clubs on the planet. But hey, perhaps Frank was indeed the ideal choice. Time will tell.

Fingers crossed.

I used to argue this very point but our last shortlist suggested our attraction has waned in proportion to our sackings.
I think the way a respected and successful manager like Ancelotti abruptly departed suggested that our club had become a difficult place to prosper.
I do believe, as I’ve already mentioned, that if Lampard fails it will be Martinez who is most likely to replace him.