ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[MrD]

So true, funny how it seems
Always in time, but never in line for dreams
Head over heels when toe to toe
This is the sound of my soul
This is the sound
I bought a ticket to the world
But now I've come back again
Why do I find it hard to write the next line?
Oh I want the truth to be said

GOLD!!!!

 

[Jacob]

How about all the high-profile journalists, British and from other countries, who were there and have said the same thing too?

What same thing do you mean ? I don't recall many journos asking for the forgeries/Klopp issue to be considered part of the scenario in any Inquiry.

 

[bluetack]

6 o clock news on last nights BBC, led with this nonsense.

War in Ukraine and Johnson's 'party gate' relegated to secondary importance.

Disgusting sense of priorities.

The loonie lefties at the BBC won't let it rest untill they get the game replayed,just like they won't rest untill they get rid of Boris Johnson and get a female or person of colour as prime minister.

 

[magicjuan]

The loonie lefties at the BBC won't let it rest untill they get the game replayed,just like they won't rest untill they get rid of Boris Johnson and get a female or person of colour as prime minister

Loonie lefties? BBC? Seriously? Would that be the likes of Comrade Kuennsberg and Kommisar Marr for example? That carried the pro tory anti (actual lefty) Corbyn rhetoric?
Give your head a great big wobble please. Thank you.

 

[Bluerover]

Thoughts and Prayers Professor.

Anyone hear the Professor on Radio Merseyside? How did he do?

 

[Saint Domingo]

They really cannot accept a loss can they. Not a single one of them was prepared for the eventuality that they might lose that final. Staggering arrogance. If they hit any form of a downturn in the next few seasons I don’t know how that lot are going to cope.

 

[davek]

It really was simple when he laid it out. Don’t give them space in behind, don’t feed their press in the first half, control the ball in the second when their press has ran out of juice. So simple, and what loads on here have called for for ages, but seemingly beyond the wit of the majority of PL managers who go to Anfield trying to play tiki taka out the back.

Shame the likes of Pulis and Allardyce aren’t still around, shameless long ball merchants. They’d be having Klopp off every single season just kicking the ball straight back over their high line every single game sat in for a 0-0. He’d have melted down easily.

That's because they dont want to suffer the wrath of the Establishment Club's media - being labelled as spoilers and attacked for weeks after their Liverpool game in order to hammer the message home for the next time they play.

As you say: Allardyce and Pulis would have laughed their bollocks off at them and told them to dry their eyes.

 

[davek]

They really cannot accept a loss can they. Not a single one of them was prepared for the eventuality that they might lose that final. Staggering arrogance. If they hit any form of a downturn in the next few seasons I don’t know how that lot are going to cope.

Post Wolves match it was the City fans invasion of the pitch to the fore.
Post Madrid defeat it was all about 'getting gassed' as the major talking point.

They are aided and abetted in their deflection by a corrupt and sinister media.

This is the sort of coverage Franco's Madrid were afforded for decades.

 

[Saint Domingo]

That's because they dont want to suffer the wrath of the Establishment Club's media - being labelled as spoilers and attacked for weeks after their Liverpool game in order to hammer the message home for the next time they play.

As you say: Allardyce and Pulis would have laughed their bollocks off at them and told them to dry their eyes.

Shame his only real rival in this period has been Guardiola who can’t really be arsed playing with him.

Imagine him in the early 2000s with prime Fergie, Mourinho and Wenger. His head would have exploded after half a season. He’s only just about holding it together when they’re gifted the game almost every week and the entire media is fawning all over him. Fergie or Mourinho would have had him out in no time.

 

[Milk]

 

[catcherintherye]

No, I agree that both fanbases have form.

But also think that the reputations can lead to actions that can backfire and make the situation worse rather than better - queuing cheek by jowl for hours in hot temperatures with no access to water rarely improves anyones temper or behavior.

I think that's also correct.

Look I'm not of the view there were no failings, nor indeed major failings from UEFA and the ground security.

I also dont want to go into enormous detail on it, and have largely avoided the thread. I feel very sorry for supporters who had purchased tickets, through the right channels, who were not able to gain access. I dont know how many fit into that criteria (you wonder how many got them from secondary sources, which frankly you cant trust).

I'm also not in favour of teargas being used, but this was a situation where we have seen overwhelming evidence of the ground being scaled, people entering the ground "illegally". It is a stadium that had a terrorism attack. We also know there were fake tickets being used. I know our client media are denying all of these things but they are true, and they influence the context of heavy handed action.

People shouldn't have been left to cue for hours, but we also know way too many people tried to come to the event than had tickets. The manager of Liverpool even encouraged those without tickets to travel. Why? How does that help with the security? Ultimately the security teams got completely overwhelmed. If you join the dots, the security of the stadium was overwhelmed, because of the numbers of people going to the stadium who shouldnt have been there.

It's always going to take a long time to check people, in a stadium that suffered a terrorism attack. People are then surprised the process takes longer when:
1) Security are dealing with idiots trying to climb over fences into the ground
2) There are people trying to (and I quote an LFC supporters here) "blah their dad in" or get in on a fake ticket
3) Put themselves in an area to gain entry to a stadium they should not be as they dont have tickets for, by following their managers advice of travelling without tickets.

People wonder why that led to delays in what was always going to be a long process?

 

[ToffeeDan]

@BlueToff

Actions have consequences

To wit:
When English fans break into Wembley for the final of Euro2020 last summer it's to be expected that this kind of thing might happen again in Paris
When Liverpool fans break into Athens and Madrid, or steal tickets it's to be expected that this kind of thing might happen again in Paris
When Liverpool fans do all of this 2 weeks previously in the FA Cup final.. it's to be expected that this kind of thing might happen again in Paris
When the manager of the club invites everyone over to Paris for a big party it's expected some are going to want to gate crash and not wander the streets looking for a bar to watch the game

So we've set the scene..

Fake tickets are on sale (we've seen one picture of many hundreds) - people buy them because they believe, with some justification, it's their best hope to blag their way into the stadium

All of the above is not speculation, it's fact.

The Police Response:

They clearly were not blind to all the history above. What is worth disputing is their handling of the situation: Could or should they have done things better? Very likely but time and resources are finite items - how do you deal kindly and efficiently with (let's just say 2,000) people without a legitimate right to access and 20,000 who have. You still have to somehow control, manage and weed out the wheat from the chaff.. AND THEREIN LIES THE RUB.

As soon as one innocent individual with a genuine ticket (inevitably) becomes a victim of ticket theft, pepper spray or tear gas, the complaining begins.

As long as one (or two) of a group of a dozen lads is out of order (2 of 22,000) then that has to be handled and there's no time for kid gloves.

So it's time a degree of proportionality is applied. Crimes were committed, police are authorised to deal with crime. Sometimes there will be collateral damage.

And until those complaining accept the truth of the whole matter then all we'll ever get is accusation, counter-accusation and denial.

 

[woodsyni]

Post Wolves match it was the City fans invasion of the pitch to the fore.
Post Madrid defeat it was all about 'getting gassed' as the major talking point.

They are aided and abetted in their deflection by a corrupt and sinister media.

This is the sort of coverage Franco's Madrid were afforded for decades.

There will be a serious incident and they will all be complicit. It's waiting to happen because no one is calling them out. The decent (yes, there are some) fans will be the ones to suffer.

 

[davek]

They rioted, and their innocent fans were spared the lives only because the riot police stopped tens of thousands of them spilling into their own end.

I mean, is there anything more to it than that?

Evans and his ilk are a 'kin disgrace. Not only are they covering up the truth, they're laying the basis for future behaviour that could end up with a very very different outcome. They're prepared to do that because they're committed to a cock-eyed notion that Liverpool are something more than a football club. How 'kin pathetic can you get? How bent out of shape and utterly alienated do you have to be to think LFC are anything other than a corporate entity coining it in by exploiting the daft gets that support them?

 

[Milk]

Best guess that it’s real too …