New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

It wouldn't work, you can't have a station that close, for a train to travel such a short journey it would have to go too slow, stopping distances on trains are a lot longer then cars and buses.
Plus the economic side won't work, millions to build a new station because a few 1000 are too lazy to walk an extra 300 yards, it's not happening

A station at Vauxhall is in the long term plan for merseyrail.... just as there is one for St James (Baltic triangle). There is no problem with the spacings of either new proposed stations. At present Sandhills is not really ready for that throughput of passengers, so another station would be helpful.
 

A station at Vauxhall is in the long term plan for merseyrail.... just as there is one for St James (Baltic triangle). There is no problem with the spacings of either new proposed stations. At present Sandhills is not really ready for that throughput of passengers, so another station would be helpful.
It was a idea put forward to them from Joe Anderson back in 2017 to try and solve a few issues, he is obviously no longer mayor so who knows where it stands. Just looking on some Merseyrail stuff now they talk about a long term plan for lots of upgrades for all of that north end area but no mentions of prospective new stations.
 
A station at Vauxhall is in the long term plan for merseyrail.... just as there is one for St James (Baltic triangle). There is no problem with the spacings of either new proposed stations. At present Sandhills is not really ready for that throughput of passengers, so another station would be helpful.
Yes, unless Sandhills is improved the plan is to queue supporters then call them up to the platform when trains arrive. They know it's a poor solution.

While rail travel from Sandhills will not be prohibited, supporters walking to Sandhills station will have to walk past other available modes of transport, which may result in them electing to choose an alternative mode from rail. This is particularly true if they have had experience of long queuing times at Sandhills on previous matchdays given the restrictions on passenger throughput that will exist in the early years following stadium opening.
 
Yeah but how many people are we talking? 500 maybe? Merseytravel have been talking for years about opening a station in the baltic, which would get a lot of passengers everyday, not just 25ish times a year. That talk has been going on for years, but nothing has happened, nobody is going to fund a station 200 yards from another ahead of that project.
It will happen (eventually) but not because of BMD, more because of The Ten Streets. As you might be aware, they've recently announced a start date for a new station at Baltic which is halfway between Central and Brunswick. That area was more or less desolate a decade ago, now it's thriving. Once development between Moorfields and Sandhills reaches a certain level, I would expect a station north of the city centre, in the same way as Baltic is being built south of the city centre.
 

Yeah but how many people are we talking? 500 maybe? Merseytravel have been talking for years about opening a station in the baltic, which would get a lot of passengers everyday, not just 25ish times a year. That talk has been going on for years, but nothing has happened, nobody is going to fund a station 200 yards from another ahead of that project.
Liverpool Baltic station is definitely happening ,it's due to open in 2025 . Being built on the site of St. James station which closed during WW1.
 
It was a idea put forward to them from Joe Anderson back in 2017 to try and solve a few issues, he is obviously no longer mayor so who knows where it stands. Just looking on some Merseyrail stuff now they talk about a long term plan for lots of upgrades for all of that north end area but no mentions of prospective new stations.
Sandhills is only a drive and a wedge from BMD isnt it? Not sure a new station would be justfied would it?
 
From the planning docs on new train/ferry infrastructure..........

Need for new rail station
14.6.1 From discussions with stakeholders, it has been suggested that there may be potential for the proposed stadium and wider Liverpool Waters area to be served by a new rail station. It should be noted that the concept or the requirement for a new station has not been suggested as necessary by Merseytravel as part of the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority, Merseyrail Electrics nor transport officers at Liverpool City Council. The potential for a new station has
however been reported in the media and was raised as a consideration through public consultation.
14.6.2 This section provides the rationale for why a new train station would not be required to serve the stadium development. Although no specific location of the station has been stipulated by stakeholders, a logical location could be on the Northern Line between the existing Sandhills and Moorfields stations.
14.6.3 It should be noted that subject to the location of the potential station, it is unknown if this station would be located at such a distance to make rail travel to the stadium more attractive than it is at present from Sandhills. Presently, Sandhills is located within an entirely reasonable walking distance and a new station is unlikely to generate significant modal shift towards the train. Indeed, it can be argued that a station any closer to the stadium would present more significant
challenges in crowd management.
14.6.4 As set out previously in Section 8.3 a ‘typical’ season for Everton would constitute 23-28 home first team fixtures per season. Assuming a maximum of 4 non-football events at the stadium per annum, a new station in the area would only be used to support the stadium use for a maximum of 32 days a year. The remaining 333 days the station would be underused given the low levels of rail demand in the area, and the close proximity of Sandhills station. Certainly, when there isno event or match on at the stadium Sandhills is perfectly adequate to service the non-match –non-event stadium uses.
14.6.5 Following planning submission in 2019 and discussion with Merseytravel and Liverpool City Council it considered that a new train station is not required to make the proposed stadium acceptable in planning terms.


Need for new stadium ferry terminal
14.7.1 From engagement with stakeholders there have been suggestions for a new ferry terminal on the River Mersey to serve the development. This idea has some merit in the long term once the wider Liverpool Waters Enterprise Zone has been largely built out and there is a critical mass of attractor destinations in this part of the city to justify such an investment. However, at this stage it is considered that there is no requirement for such infrastructure to serve the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium in isolation.
14.7.2 Firstly, it should be noted that the sea wall forming the boundary between the proposed stadium site and the River Mersey is not owned or under the control of the Club. As this land is in third party ownership it would not be possible for the Club to deliver even if such a facility was feasible in operational terms.
14.7.3 Notwithstanding this a new terminal and the additional ferry services that would serve it would be unsustainable in terms of the limited demand generated by the stadium in isolation. This is due to the occurrence of match days at a rate of 1 per 1.6 weeks on average during the football season only (football fixtures at the new stadium will fluctuate between 23 and 28 games per season). Furthermore, the non-match and non-event uses at the stadium during the working
week are likely to generate insufficient transport demand to support a new ferry service. The high cost of this infrastructure investment and the likely requirement for additional new ferry vehicles would make this prohibitively expensive for very limited return.
14.7.4 A more likely solution is that trips bound for or departing from Bramley-Moore Dock use existing ferry services via the Pier Head terminal in the city centre, travelling between the city centre and Bramley-Moore Dock in the same manner as those accessing via rail or bus services. Notwithstanding this, as explored in Section 4.8 the level of service currently provided by Mersey Ferries means that travelling to Liverpool city centre by ferry is possible for weekday evening and weekend matches. However, there is no service available to take supporters back to Wirral after these matches have finished on account of the limited service timetable.
14.7.5 For these reasons, unless the current level of ferry service is extended (which Merseytravel has informed us is not planned) ferries are considered unlikely to attract a significant number of users. The primary users are envisaged to be those living within walking distance of the ferry terminals in Wirral at Woodside and Seacombe. Bus, rail and road travel to Liverpool for onward travel to Bramley-Moore Dock are much more convenient modes which will offer the potential for a two-way journey, something which the current ferry service cannot provide.
14.7.6 Ferry patronage from wider areas is not forecast as Woodside has no major parking facility nearby and is difficult to access from the Strategic Road Network. Whilst Seacombe is served by a large parking facility, it is also more difficult to access from further south in Wirral or from Cheshire and North Wales, with users having to drive past the Kingsway Tunnel entrance at the end of the M53
 

From the planning docs on new train/ferry infrastructure..........

Need for new rail station
14.6.1 From discussions with stakeholders, it has been suggested that there may be potential for the proposed stadium and wider Liverpool Waters area to be served by a new rail station. It should be noted that the concept or the requirement for a new station has not been suggested as necessary by Merseytravel as part of the Liverpool City Region Combined Authority, Merseyrail Electrics nor transport officers at Liverpool City Council. The potential for a new station has
however been reported in the media and was raised as a consideration through public consultation.
14.6.2 This section provides the rationale for why a new train station would not be required to serve the stadium development. Although no specific location of the station has been stipulated by stakeholders, a logical location could be on the Northern Line between the existing Sandhills and Moorfields stations.
14.6.3 It should be noted that subject to the location of the potential station, it is unknown if this station would be located at such a distance to make rail travel to the stadium more attractive than it is at present from Sandhills. Presently, Sandhills is located within an entirely reasonable walking distance and a new station is unlikely to generate significant modal shift towards the train. Indeed, it can be argued that a station any closer to the stadium would present more significant
challenges in crowd management.
14.6.4 As set out previously in Section 8.3 a ‘typical’ season for Everton would constitute 23-28 home first team fixtures per season. Assuming a maximum of 4 non-football events at the stadium per annum, a new station in the area would only be used to support the stadium use for a maximum of 32 days a year. The remaining 333 days the station would be underused given the low levels of rail demand in the area, and the close proximity of Sandhills station. Certainly, when there isno event or match on at the stadium Sandhills is perfectly adequate to service the non-match –non-event stadium uses.
14.6.5 Following planning submission in 2019 and discussion with Merseytravel and Liverpool City Council it considered that a new train station is not required to make the proposed stadium acceptable in planning terms.


Need for new stadium ferry terminal
14.7.1 From engagement with stakeholders there have been suggestions for a new ferry terminal on the River Mersey to serve the development. This idea has some merit in the long term once the wider Liverpool Waters Enterprise Zone has been largely built out and there is a critical mass of attractor destinations in this part of the city to justify such an investment. However, at this stage it is considered that there is no requirement for such infrastructure to serve the Bramley-Moore Dock stadium in isolation.
14.7.2 Firstly, it should be noted that the sea wall forming the boundary between the proposed stadium site and the River Mersey is not owned or under the control of the Club. As this land is in third party ownership it would not be possible for the Club to deliver even if such a facility was feasible in operational terms.
14.7.3 Notwithstanding this a new terminal and the additional ferry services that would serve it would be unsustainable in terms of the limited demand generated by the stadium in isolation. This is due to the occurrence of match days at a rate of 1 per 1.6 weeks on average during the football season only (football fixtures at the new stadium will fluctuate between 23 and 28 games per season). Furthermore, the non-match and non-event uses at the stadium during the working
week are likely to generate insufficient transport demand to support a new ferry service. The high cost of this infrastructure investment and the likely requirement for additional new ferry vehicles would make this prohibitively expensive for very limited return.
14.7.4 A more likely solution is that trips bound for or departing from Bramley-Moore Dock use existing ferry services via the Pier Head terminal in the city centre, travelling between the city centre and Bramley-Moore Dock in the same manner as those accessing via rail or bus services. Notwithstanding this, as explored in Section 4.8 the level of service currently provided by Mersey Ferries means that travelling to Liverpool city centre by ferry is possible for weekday evening and weekend matches. However, there is no service available to take supporters back to Wirral after these matches have finished on account of the limited service timetable.
14.7.5 For these reasons, unless the current level of ferry service is extended (which Merseytravel has informed us is not planned) ferries are considered unlikely to attract a significant number of users. The primary users are envisaged to be those living within walking distance of the ferry terminals in Wirral at Woodside and Seacombe. Bus, rail and road travel to Liverpool for onward travel to Bramley-Moore Dock are much more convenient modes which will offer the potential for a two-way journey, something which the current ferry service cannot provide.
14.7.6 Ferry patronage from wider areas is not forecast as Woodside has no major parking facility nearby and is difficult to access from the Strategic Road Network. Whilst Seacombe is served by a large parking facility, it is also more difficult to access from further south in Wirral or from Cheshire and North Wales, with users having to drive past the Kingsway Tunnel entrance at the end of the M53

I've just had a quick scan of that and it only makes reference to a new station within the context of BMD stadium, as far I can see. That's not the full picture. Neither for the ferries, either. Who knows what the demand for public transport will be in that area in 10/20 years time. It will happen, just not yet.
 
Liverpool Baltic station is definitely happening ,it's due to open in 2025 . Being built on the site of St. James station which closed during WW1.
Yeah but once that opens its been well over a decade of talk, if a station was to happen near the stadium I wouldn't expect it to be for about another 15 years minimum
 
I think I read some of the food and drink outlets at BMD would remain open post match to help to delay a mass departure ?
Sandhills would need a lot of organisation and corralling of queues plus a few extra trains on matchdays. This seems to be beyond Merseyrail though , they don't bother to put on extra trains from Kirkdale on Sundays when it's only a 30 minute service. The position of Sandhills isn't really suitable for anyone going into town or South Liverpool . By the time you walk to Sandhills and wait for a train you could walk into town.
An intermediate station is the ideal solution but I have not heard about any plans to build one or even where it might be.
Never mind extra trains it always seems to be 3 carriages the 1st train after the match both Sundays and midweek. ridiculous.
 
Given the fact that we don't do public transport the way they do in Germany, I doubt we'll be getting a new station anytime soon (but it is needed, I agree). I think what would be more likely is a redesign of the entrance to Sandhills and some kind of a canopy to keep the rain off fans who are queueing to get on to a train after the match. I think that would be a good idea.

Sandhills is currently undergoing a redesign to increase capacity and improve holding potential.
 
Sandhills is currently undergoing a redesign to increase capacity and improve holding potential.
Excellent news. I didn't know that. It doesn't have to be anything too fancy. Just keep us out if the rain whilst we are stood queueing at street level waiting to get onto the platform.
 

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