New Everton Stadium - Hill Dickinson Stadium

[Jacko93]

Merseyrail Northern Line is 450metres away - Surely the powers at be can fit a match day station close by. Otherwise Sandhills is less than 1 Kilometre, not to far. And I think I've posted on here before, they should build a jetty again for matchdays and tourism.

The problem with the Ferries, as great as it would be, is that they're not a fast enough mass transport system.
They were designed to carry 1200 people, but nowadays its about 650 safely. You can't really have them queued up behind each other either as they take a while to embark/disembark.

 

[Dario Terracotta]

Christ if it's as noisy as Sunday at the Old Lady,the Wirralites over the water will be complaining lol lol lol

 

[sbbefc]

20 min minimum walk to town if you're relatively fit, no closer to Merseyrail than GP, no current bus routes. It's a great location aesthetically but let's not pretend it's a connected stadium. We need to do much more on that side of things.

You're absolutely right. I suppose match day busses will become available in time and amenities will form on the routes to the ground. But the area is potentially a decade away from developing it's potential. From my selfish perspective (usually take the wirral line) getting to the ground on foot from town will be an improvement on the current situation.

 

[Dr Baxter]

20 min minimum walk to town if you're relatively fit, no closer to Merseyrail than GP, no current bus routes. It's a great location aesthetically but let's not pretend it's a connected stadium. We need to do much more on that side of things.

I agree with some of your points, it's not city centre, for sure, but may well be within 10 years of it opening. I would disagree re. distance from a station. I've timed myself at 12 minutes and Sandhills is also on 3 lines, Kirkdale is about 20 and is only on 2. It's easily walkable from Sandhills.

Re. buses, if you live in the corridor which runs along the river from the city centre/Kirkdale/Bootle/Litherland/Crosby/Seaforth/Netherton, all your buses stop at the Rotunda which is a 10 minute walk to BMD. Even those who live heading north east from town aren't too bad for buses.

That said, yes, it will be problematic from lots of areas by bus. There will need to be special provision. Also, there needs to be Soccerbuses from various points, maybe even from some of the bigger carparks in town and a couple more stations such as James Street and Kirkdale.

 

[Dr Baxter]

You're absolutely right. I suppose match day busses will become available in time and amenities will form on the routes to the ground. But the area is potentially a decade away from developing it's potential. From my selfish perspective (usually take the wirral line) getting to the ground on foot from town will be an improvement on the current situation.

For those who will be walking from town, it is a more pleasant walk. Bit cold in the winter, though.

 

[MickA]

You're absolutely right. I suppose match day busses will become available in time and amenities will form on the routes to the ground. But the area is potentially a decade away from developing it's potential. From my selfish perspective (usually take the wirral line) getting to the ground on foot from town will be an improvement on the current situation.

Yeah, amenities will appear for the match I'm sure and like you I can walk so I'm better off personally. That walk though will be too far for some even in good weather. I'm also sceptical on the LW project coming to fruition, if it does it will certaily take a decade or more as you say.

Merseyrail Northern Line is 450metres away - Surely the powers at be can fit a match day station close by. Otherwise Sandhills is less than 1 Kilometre, not to far. And I think I've posted on here before, they should build a jetty again for matchdays and tourism.

They're not going to have a new station. People will be 'coralled' at Sandhills which surely we can do better than in the 21st century. It's a more dangerous station for crowds also as it's an island platform. And there's no chance of a ferry terminal.

there will be bus routes moved to BMD as the ones to GP wont be needed i dont think transport will be an issue

Soccerbus's will be, normal routes certainly won't be and that was my point.

 

[MickA]

I agree with some of your points, it's not city centre, for sure, but may well be within 10 years of it opening. I would disagree re. distance from a station. I've timed myself at 12 minutes and Sandhills is also on 3 lines, Kirkdale is about 20 and is only on 2. It's easily walkable from Sandhills.

Re. buses, if you live in the corridor which runs along the river from the city centre/Kirkdale/Bootle/Litherland/Crosby/Seaforth/Netherton, all your buses stop at the Rotunda which is a 10 minute walk to BMD. Even those who live heading north east from town aren't too bad for buses.

That said, yes, it will be problematic from lots of areas by bus. There will need to be special provision. Also, there needs to be Soccerbuses from various points, maybe even from some of the bigger carparks in town and a couple more stations such as James Street and Kirkdale.

Sandhills to BMD is pretty much the exact same distance as Kirkdale to GP. There certainly isn't any improvement in distance.

I keep hearing this city centre moving north statment but I just cannot see anything at all in current Liverpool planning that convinces me this will happen at any point, let alone the next 10 years. I see today they've proposed a park for Central Docks which is great for me walking the dog but hardly the LW masterplan that will push the city forwards commercially. I'm sure there's stuff I'm not privy to but as I've said many times I'm extremely sceptical of the LW scheme.

Yeah buses are great for the north of the city but in terms of overall city-wide connectivity it falls way short. In fact this from the planning doesn't read well at all:

Transport Network Users – Bus:
Within the 30-minute walk time study area illustrated in Figure 7.2 the bus network is largely concentrated along Vauxhall Road, Stanley Road, Scotland Road and Great Homer Street. Bus services on Regent Road and Great Howard Street are infrequent and limited. The TA sets out that at match / event times there is substantial capacity available in the network and that commercial services on these routes will be attractive (Appendix 7.1 Section 4.7). On Regent Road itself the route is served by one single bus service of which there is a bus frequency of two buses per day. On Great Howard Street there are no bus services following the cancellation of the 103 service, the single service which stopped on this route. On Vauxhall Road bus frequency is around 4 buses per hour through the day, reducing to two in the evening. For Scotland Road frequency is around 25 buses per hour through the day falling to 14 per hour in the evening. On Great Homer Street frequency is 22 buses per in the day hour falling to 9 per hour in the evening.

 

[peteblue]

Yep, I get all of that and I hope it's great. But it won't be the same. Hopefully, younger generations than me will have all of the feelings I have for GP there but I struggle to see how I, or people with a similar history to me, will. Hopefully, I'm wrong.

I‘ve been going to Goodison for just about half the overall period that the ground has been in existence, and while GP is a great old ground I can’t wait to go to the new one……

 

[kev]

I‘ve been going to Goodison for just about half the overall period that the ground has been in existence, and while GP is a great old ground I can’t wait to go to the new one……

Same here. Some fantastic memories of Goodison but hopefully fantastic memories still to come at the new ground.
Respect history by all means, but you can never hold back the future.

 

[windymiller]

I‘ve been going to Goodison for just about half the overall period that the ground has been in existence, and while GP is a great old ground I can’t wait to go to the new one……

I'm looking forward to going too, sorry if I have given the wrong impression. It's not that I don't think we should move, we definitely should, it's not that I don't think the new stadium is the right approach, compared with Destination Kirkby it's a dream come true. My point, I suppose, is that it is a completely new start and my fear is that it will fundamentally change what the club is all about. That might be for the better, of course, but my fear is that we become another corporate club focused more on hospitality and foreign markets than the community that made the club what it currently is. I'm probably worrying over nothing and the bigger worry is keeping the club in the Premier League and solvent!

 

[Dr Baxter]

Sandhills to BMD is pretty much the exact same distance as Kirkdale to GP. There certainly isn't any improvement in distance.

I keep hearing this city centre moving north statment but I just cannot see anything at all in current Liverpool planning that convinces me this will happen at any point, let alone the next 10 years. I see today they've proposed a park for Central Docks which is great for me walking the dog but hardly the LW masterplan that will push the city forwards commercially. I'm sure there's stuff I'm not privy to but as I've said many times I'm extremely sceptical of the LW scheme.

Yeah buses are great for the north of the city but in terms of overall city-wide connectivity it falls way short. In fact this from the planning doesn't read well at all:

Transport Network Users – Bus:
Within the 30-minute walk time study area illustrated in Figure 7.2 the bus network is largely concentrated along Vauxhall Road, Stanley Road, Scotland Road and Great Homer Street. Bus services on Regent Road and Great Howard Street are infrequent and limited. The TA sets out that at match / event times there is substantial capacity available in the network and that commercial services on these routes will be attractive (Appendix 7.1 Section 4.7). On Regent Road itself the route is served by one single bus service of which there is a bus frequency of two buses per day. On Great Howard Street there are no bus services following the cancellation of the 103 service, the single service which stopped on this route. On Vauxhall Road bus frequency is around 4 buses per hour through the day, reducing to two in the evening. For Scotland Road frequency is around 25 buses per hour through the day falling to 14 per hour in the evening. On Great Homer Street frequency is 22 buses per in the day hour falling to 9 per hour in the evening.

I think if you read the last bit, it makes the same point as I was making. From certain parts of the city BMD WILL be well served, from other parts not. I've just checked and at bus stops on Stanley Road, Boundary St East, Kirkdale Road, Great Homer Street, the following buses stop (maximum 20 mins walk to BMD)

47, 52, 52A, 55, 300, X2, 58A, 20, 310, X3, 26, 53, 58, 345.

Yes, there are issues to be sorted and real difficulties to be ironed out, but BMD is not as badly served by public transport as some suggest, certainly not for a football going public.

 

[Street end man]

Any plans to incorporate some of the famous details off the old stands? Or anything that does pay tribute to the old lady? Now that would be great.

 

[arch stanton]

Any plans to incorporate some of the famous details off the old stands? Or anything that does pay tribute to the old lady? Now that would be great.

no mate, it would clash with the running track

 

[NathDogg]

20 min minimum walk to town if you're relatively fit, no closer to Merseyrail than GP, no current bus routes. It's a great location aesthetically but let's not pretend it's a connected stadium. We need to do much more on that side of things.

Clearly that going to be taken care of - they won’t leave it as is.

It’s not too bad a walk from the city centre tbh, and I am sure numerous public houses and other venues will be going up to accommodate such an influx of people to the area.

I’ve managed to get from the titanic to town walking fairly well imbibed and never fell in the river - we’ll be reet!

 

[Street end man]

no mate, it would clash with the running track

No track, that's a joke right? I hope it was anywaylol