2021/22 Frank Lampard

[davek]

I can see that trying to stir up unrest against Lampard, is your new hobby horse, but it won`t happen.

Vault me.

Last thing in the world I want I can assure you.

You have that mindset not me. I get behind managers.

 

[gazzaa2]

We have no momentum and those around us show fight that we cant.

We've just turned two of them over in the time Lampard's been here, neither have won for ages.

 

[ToffeeTim]

We have no momentum and those around us show fight that we cant.

The remaining fight was knocked out of us by the way we were set up. Negative, outdated, park the bus hoofball tactics.

 

[Zeitgeist]

Disappointing Saturday, however, they are in form was never going to be easy.

Been said before our home form will be integral.

Fun time Frank is the man to get a tune out of this lot. Think Allan was subbed because of his yellow, a gamble either way, but staying on was going to be a dismissal.

We all cringed when Gomes came, im sure, and was at fault for so much of which is bad. But he is not defensive combative midfielder type, and so it unfolded.

Dom needs to get going, match fit, should he be already...

We will draw against City at least!

Should we stay up and i'm still 80/20 that we do but the time being, I would like to see two CMs brought in and Allan to be a back up CM, i don't believe he is quite at it enough to be a full time starter.

Gomes should really leave, he can't do it at this level

Big game for Dom v City

Will take a draw absolutely. If we cannot achieve that I just don't want our goal difference totally destroyed either

 

[Saint Domingo]

Last thing in the world I want I can assure you.

You have that mindset not me. I get behind managers.

Let’s be completely honest here. There was zero wrong with Lampard’s tactics against Southampton. We started off well, had control of the ball, they didn’t look a threat. That’s job done in my view from a tactical element and then you are looking for whether your forward players can make something happen, and whether your defenders don’t make mistakes. We were unbelievably sloppy at both ends, then when Allan goes off Gomes coms on and it’s clown time at the back and the game is lost.

Yes there was lots of hatred towards the players but the criticism still came towards the manager as well, even after 4 games two of which he’s won.

There’s a very predictable progression that occurs and even in its infancy you can’t call it out as people don’t want the alternative.

As soon as we start losing games it starts off with ‘should be playing x formation’ ‘not making subs at the right time’ ‘should be playing x instead of Y’

Then after a while these opinions become evidence based patterns of a managers limitations and the rumblings start that x manager wouldn’t play this way, y manager makes subs earlier, z manager is progressive and more hands on coaching, this manager has more experience, followed by the classic ‘we should have gone for that’. A few losses later and people are convinced we appointed them wrong manager and want him out.

When it comes to the two choices though of backing a manager for a multi year overhaul regardless of short term pain, or just spinning the dice on a new manager who might play a different formation or different players, the same section of the fan base always screams for option B because it’s cheaper, easier, and quicker.

Except we’re five managers in and 6 years later and option B still hasn’t worked.

It’s one thing to comment that there were some things in game Lampard maybe could have done better, but 4 games in two of which we’ve won these should be utterly minor comments. Instead they gather pace with every game we don’t win.

The only option available to us is the one you’ve laid out, get safe, turf these players out, rebuild next season to be mid table and take it from there. Questions about Lampard might be legitimate in that third season if he’s not able to progress from there, but really before then he’s dealing with absolute muck and will be doing a good job indeed if he can keep this ship steady. We should be 100% behind following this pathway and supporting Lampard in removing these toxic players.

We won’t be though, some of the fanbase still consider us to be a new manager and a formation change away from europe at any given point. If we’re mid table next season they’ll be questioning Frank no doubt in my mind. Just no patience to see through the job that has been needed at this club ever since Koemaggedon.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Home games are going to be crucial and I believe the manager can put out a team to win at Goodison.

The issue is that to survive, we will probably need to pick up an away win somewhere before the end of the season. I don't know if this team are capable of doing that, especially with the pressure they will feel in the key games at Burnley and Watford. Hopefully we can fluke one somewhere along the line, because we will probably only need 1 win away from Goodison if we can win 3 or 4 of 8 at home.

And can we nip this nonsense about people calling for the manager to go in the bud please. I've never heard as much support for a manager than the Leeds game. No one other than a few with agendas from the Benitez era are against him.

 

[ToffeeTim]

Let’s be completely honest here. There was zero wrong with Lampard’s tactics against Southampton. We started off well, had control of the ball, they didn’t look a threat. That’s job done in my view from a tactical element and then you are looking for whether your forward players can make something happen, and whether your defenders don’t make mistakes. We were unbelievably sloppy at both ends, then when Allan goes off Gomes coms on and it’s clown time at the back and the game is lost.

Yes there was lots of hatred towards the players but the criticism still came towards the manager as well, even after 4 games two of which he’s won.

There’s a very predictable progression that occurs and even in its infancy you can’t call it out as people don’t want the alternative.

As soon as we start losing games it starts off with ‘should be playing x formation’ ‘not making subs at the right time’ ‘should be playing x instead of Y’

Then after a while these opinions become evidence based patterns of a managers limitations and the rumblings start that x manager wouldn’t play this way, y manager makes subs earlier, z manager is progressive and more hands on coaching, this manager has more experience, followed by the classic ‘we should have gone for that’. A few losses later and people are convinced we appointed them wrong manager and want him out.

When it comes to the two choices though of backing a manager for a multi year overhaul regardless of short term pain, or just spinning the dice on a new manager who might play a different formation or different players, the same section of the fan base always screams for option B because it’s cheaper, easier, and quicker.

Except we’re five managers in and 6 years later and option B still hasn’t worked.

It’s one thing to comment that there were some things in game Lampard maybe could have done better, but 4 games in two of which we’ve won these should be utterly minor comments. Instead they gather pace with every game we don’t win.

The only option available to us is the one you’ve laid out, get safe, turf these players out, rebuild next season to be mid table and take it from there. Questions about Lampard might be legitimate in that third season if he’s not able to progress from there, but really before then he’s dealing with absolute muck and will be doing a good job indeed if he can keep this ship steady. We should be 100% behind following this pathway and supporting Lampard in removing these toxic players.

We won’t be though, some of the fanbase still consider us to be a new manager and a formation change away from europe at any given point. If we’re mid table next season they’ll be questioning Frank no doubt in my mind. Just no patience to see through the job that has been needed at this club ever since Koemaggedon.

I don't mind people questioning decisions because that's always going to happen. I haven't seen any posters other than WUMS actually questioning his position, so it's a non issue that is being hyped up based on nothing. The idea there will be rebellion is a fake news argument.

I don't agree at all with the idea that Allan shouldn't have been taken off though. I've never been so sure a referee was going to send off a player. He made a similar foul to the one he got booked for after he was already booked. The ref was being extremely fussy with us and not them, and I have no doubt he was 1 soft foul away from a second yellow. The problem was the rubbish performance by Gomes where he wasn't up for the match. I didn't see a player who wanted to win enough.

 

[bicycleheader]

Last thing in the world I want I can assure you.

You have that mindset not me. I get behind managers.

I dont know why im bothering but...

Ive just read two days of this thread and its dominated by your talk of fans wanting him sacked.

Can you show this apparent support you say you have and maybe discuss the manager here and feck off to a thread about the fans to run that particular new storyline of yours.

There would be nobody in here discussing this apart from a couple of obvious kopite wums if it wasnt for you.

Theres a couple threads about the fans you can waddle off to Dave with your new hit song.

Cheers!

 

[Groucho]

Let’s be completely honest here. There was zero wrong with Lampard’s tactics against Southampton. We started off well, had control of the ball, they didn’t look a threat. That’s job done in my view from a tactical element and then you are looking for whether your forward players can make something happen, and whether your defenders don’t make mistakes. We were unbelievably sloppy at both ends, then when Allan goes off Gomes coms on and it’s clown time at the back and the game is lost.

Yes there was lots of hatred towards the players but the criticism still came towards the manager as well, even after 4 games two of which he’s won.

There’s a very predictable progression that occurs and even in its infancy you can’t call it out as people don’t want the alternative.

As soon as we start losing games it starts off with ‘should be playing x formation’ ‘not making subs at the right time’ ‘should be playing x instead of Y’

Then after a while these opinions become evidence based patterns of a managers limitations and the rumblings start that x manager wouldn’t play this way, y manager makes subs earlier, z manager is progressive and more hands on coaching, this manager has more experience, followed by the classic ‘we should have gone for that’. A few losses later and people are convinced we appointed them wrong manager and want him out.

When it comes to the two choices though of backing a manager for a multi year overhaul regardless of short term pain, or just spinning the dice on a new manager who might play a different formation or different players, the same section of the fan base always screams for option B because it’s cheaper, easier, and quicker.

Except we’re five managers in and 6 years later and option B still hasn’t worked.

It’s one thing to comment that there were some things in game Lampard maybe could have done better, but 4 games in two of which we’ve won these should be utterly minor comments. Instead they gather pace with every game we don’t win.

The only option available to us is the one you’ve laid out, get safe, turf these players out, rebuild next season to be mid table and take it from there. Questions about Lampard might be legitimate in that third season if he’s not able to progress from there, but really before then he’s dealing with absolute muck and will be doing a good job indeed if he can keep this ship steady. We should be 100% behind following this pathway and supporting Lampard in removing these toxic players.

We won’t be though, some of the fanbase still consider us to be a new manager and a formation change away from europe at any given point. If we’re mid table next season they’ll be questioning Frank no doubt in my mind. Just no patience to see through the job that has been needed at this club ever since Koemaggedon.

I don't mind people questioning decisions because that's always going to happen. I haven't seen any posters other than WUMS actually questioning his position, so it's a non issue that is being hyped up based on nothing. The idea there will be rebellion is a fake news argument.

I don't agree at all with the idea that Allan shouldn't have been taken off though. I've never been so sure a referee was going to send off a player. He made a similar foul to the one he got booked for after he was already booked. The ref was being extremely fussy with us and not them, and I have no doubt he was 1 soft foul away from a second yellow. The problem was the rubbish performance by Gomes where he wasn't up for the match. I didn't see a player who wanted to win enough.

People aren’t patient at all anymore.

It’s very fashionable to be a naysayer once a manager has lost his 100% win record now.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I don't mind people questioning decisions because that's always going to happen. I haven't seen any posters other than WUMS actually questioning his position, so it's a non issue that is being hyped up based on nothing. The idea there will be rebellion is a fake news argument.

I don't agree at all with the idea that Allan shouldn't have been taken off though. I've never been so sure a referee was going to send off a player. He made a similar foul to the one he got booked for after he was already booked. The ref was being extremely fussy with us and not them, and I have no doubt he was 1 soft foul away from a second yellow. The problem was the rubbish performance by Gomes where he wasn't up for the match. I didn't see a player who wanted to win enough.

I didn’t say Allan shouldn’t have been taken off. He should. It’s just that Gomes wasn’t mentally prepared to play a premier league football game judging by the dross he served up

 

[Pabbers]

Let’s be completely honest here. There was zero wrong with Lampard’s tactics against Southampton. We started off well, had control of the ball, they didn’t look a threat. That’s job done in my view from a tactical element and then you are looking for whether your forward players can make something happen, and whether your defenders don’t make mistakes. We were unbelievably sloppy at both ends, then when Allan goes off Gomes coms on and it’s clown time at the back and the game is lost.

Yes there was lots of hatred towards the players but the criticism still came towards the manager as well, even after 4 games two of which he’s won.

There’s a very predictable progression that occurs and even in its infancy you can’t call it out as people don’t want the alternative.

As soon as we start losing games it starts off with ‘should be playing x formation’ ‘not making subs at the right time’ ‘should be playing x instead of Y’

Then after a while these opinions become evidence based patterns of a managers limitations and the rumblings start that x manager wouldn’t play this way, y manager makes subs earlier, z manager is progressive and more hands on coaching, this manager has more experience, followed by the classic ‘we should have gone for that’. A few losses later and people are convinced we appointed them wrong manager and want him out.

When it comes to the two choices though of backing a manager for a multi year overhaul regardless of short term pain, or just spinning the dice on a new manager who might play a different formation or different players, the same section of the fan base always screams for option B because it’s cheaper, easier, and quicker.

Except we’re five managers in and 6 years later and option B still hasn’t worked.

It’s one thing to comment that there were some things in game Lampard maybe could have done better, but 4 games in two of which we’ve won these should be utterly minor comments. Instead they gather pace with every game we don’t win.

The only option available to us is the one you’ve laid out, get safe, turf these players out, rebuild next season to be mid table and take it from there. Questions about Lampard might be legitimate in that third season if he’s not able to progress from there, but really before then he’s dealing with absolute muck and will be doing a good job indeed if he can keep this ship steady. We should be 100% behind following this pathway and supporting Lampard in removing these toxic players.

We won’t be though, some of the fanbase still consider us to be a new manager and a formation change away from europe at any given point. If we’re mid table next season they’ll be questioning Frank no doubt in my mind. Just no patience to see through the job that has been needed at this club ever since Koemaggedon.

Spot on, thats a great post. Agree with it all.

I know some wont agree, but for me a little part of the reason fans get so angry quick, is down to how well the RS are doing, it makes some more desperate for us to push on.

 

[ToffeeTim]

People aren’t patient at all anymore.

It’s very fashionable to be a naysayer once a manager has lost his 100% win record now.

It's easy, but I don't see it happening like people are suggesting. And the comparison between what happened with Benitez and Lampard is completely pointless. Benitez was an appointment that most did not want, and that lots were certain would go the way it did. I haven't heard support for a new manager like what we heard last week.

Now we are in a far worse position because we made totally the wrong appointment. If we are to become competitive again, it's now going to take much longer. I think most people understand this.

 

[Little Ralphy]

There is a definite improvement in the way that they are trying to play. I think it's the same issues we have had for years though. Our midfield is not mobile enough to cope with sides who are. As soon as we lost the ball against Southampton, they were driving forward towards our area, and we couldn't do anything about it. Iwobi and Gordon were too wide, and Allan and VDB not quick enough.

There were many times we lost the ball with sloppy passes, or square balls intercepted which put us immediately on the back foot.

Southampton look to be a side built on a budget, who play a high energy, high paced game with athletes. There was no genuine quality there, but we couldn't match the pace. It was the same against Newcastle, the game was too quick for the midfield, and the transition killed us every time. Eventually because of that, players lose confidence and start to sit and go long.

There is nothing Lampard can do about that given the lack of midfielders with none of them being good enough. Hopefully in the Summer he can ship them all out and bring in new ones who can live with the pace of the league. Or perhaps for the time being he can throw an extra holding player in for away games, and sacrifice the wingers, or second striker.

The squad needs a big rebuild and mobility needs to be high on the agenda.

 

[ToffeeTim]

I didn’t say Allan shouldn’t have been taken off. He should. It’s just that Gomes wasn’t mentally prepared to play a premier league football game judging by the dross he served up

I wasn't meaning you said it. I've just seen a lot of people having a go at the sub and I think the manager was in a no win position. Keep him on and he gets sent off, and the manager is slated.

 

[Little Ralphy]

I wasn't meaning you said it. I've just seen a lot of people having a go at the sub and I think the manager was in a no win position. Keep him on and he gets sent off, and the manager is slated.

The blame lies with Allan. His first challenge was a joke, what was he even trying to do, he was miles away from getting the ball. He's so slow it's embarrassing, and because of that he is always the wrong side of someone and has to lean on them to stop them getting away.