2021/22 Dominic Calvert-Lewin

[Toffeepot]

Bold 3. We already have a secondary striker I reckon in Richie. No need for him to be out wide with the wingers we have on the books now.

He's not as good up top as Dom though, definitely better as inside forward or 2nd striker

 

[ElGato]

Bold 3. We already have a secondary striker I reckon in Richie. No need for him to be out wide with the wingers we have on the books now.

I am inclined to agree with you. Better presser from the front and a more natural finisher when one on one.

On the other hand if he can do both, and if he is one of our best wingers, then just by virtue of getting our best 11 on the pitch I'm up for starting him on the wing.

rather Richy - DCL - Gray than Gray - Richy - Gordon/Townsend

 

[Street end man]

He's not as good up top as Dom though, definitely better as inside forward or 2nd striker

To be fair to Richie he's never had a run where he's the target man. I think he'd smash it as a pure no.9 personally.

 

[Lanolin]

Salah 4shots per game 3.3inside the box 82.5%
DCL 2.5s/g 2.2inside the box 88%
Kane 3.9s/g 2.4 inside the box 61.5%

So yes he has more shots inside the box and I take that point, but only significantly more than kane though, and then again those stats include penalties so conversion rate is skewed
The reason I chose Kane and Salah for this comparison is because they are Kane and Salah so we should expect them to be much higher than Dom right?
As regards keeping DCL quiet = easy game, that has much more to do with our team than Dom...Liverpool have defenders being pulled all over the place by their attack
Anyway, we can't replace him with better imo
* just copied and pasted my reply to another post but will address the above point
If our fan base watched how wasteful Kane can be compared to Dom, the fume would be through the roof and we'd have a thread with people trying to sell him for 80mil

Cheers. Obviously all strikers miss chances and I wouldn't say DCL is wasteful with his. I think part of the frustration people have with him is it can feel at times like he only scores if it's fairly close range and a one touch finish etc so we need him to take as many of those chances as we can because he won't do anything else. That's obviously a bit different for players who score and assist in lots of different ways. That isn't a criticism of him, he is what he is, and he's very good at it, it's just an explanation of why people wouldn't see the likes of Kane and Salah the same way.

 

[Toffeepot]

To be fair to Richie he's never had a run where he's the target man. I think he'd smash it as a pure no.9 personally.

He's had enough games to show he's not as good at holding it up which is why I prefer him as a second striker. Quality player all round but Dom's hold up play much better

 

[Toffeepot]

Cheers. Obviously all strikers miss chances and I wouldn't say DCL is wasteful with his. I think part of the frustration people have with him is it can feel at times like he only scores if it's fairly close range and a one touch finish etc so we need him to take as many of those chances as we can because he won't do anything else. That's obviously a bit different for players who score and assist in lots of different ways. That isn't a criticism of him, he is what he is, and he's very good at it, it's just an explanation of why people wouldn't see the likes of Kane and Salah the same way.

Well I agree people wouldn't see them the same way, especially Salah. I used those 2 as examples in replying to chances converted as they are regarded as among the top in their positions on a global scale. I am happy to source stats for comparison with others, perhaps more similar... who do you think? Chris Wood? Watkins? Lacazette? Give me a min, I'll grab a few

 

[Street end man]

He's had enough games to show he's not as good at holding it up which is why I prefer him as a second striker. Quality player all round but Dom's hold up play much better

Without doubt they have different attributes and both at their best are excellent strikers. I just feel Richie will be wasted out wide now we have others that do that job very well. I'd like to see him in the box more for the half chances.

 

[Toffeepot]

Cheers. Obviously all strikers miss chances and I wouldn't say DCL is wasteful with his. I think part of the frustration people have with him is it can feel at times like he only scores if it's fairly close range and a one touch finish etc so we need him to take as many of those chances as we can because he won't do anything else. That's obviously a bit different for players who score and assist in lots of different ways. That isn't a criticism of him, he is what he is, and he's very good at it, it's just an explanation of why people wouldn't see the likes of Kane and Salah the same way.

Shot accuracy Conversion Rate Shots per game In the box
DCL 55.4%................... 19.3%................... 2.5 ................... 2.2
Lacazette 58.8%................... 17.6%................... 1.1................... 0.9
Watkins 43.6%................... 12.8%................... 2.2 ................... 2.0
Wood 30.6% ...................8.3%................... 1.9 ................... 1.6
King 35.9% ...................12.8% ................... 2.2 ................... 1.7
Benteke 33.3%................... 10.3% ................... 1.9................... 1.7
Toney 38% ................... 12% ................... 2.4 ................... 1.9
Lukaku 39.3% ...................17.9%................... 1.8................... 1.6
Ronaldo 34.9% ...................12.7%................... 3.5 ................... 2.8

I think that's enough
All I'm saying is be careful what you wish for...we could get 60-80mil but we cant replace him well

 

[Carloblues]

Well I agree people wouldn't see them the same way, especially Salah. I used those 2 as examples in replying to chances converted as they are regarded as among the top in their positions on a global scale. I am happy to source stats for comparison with others, perhaps more similar... who do you think? Chris Wood? Watkins? Lacazette? Give me a min, I'll grab a few

Just not the same thing though, Salah and kane especially score all sorts of goals, inside outside, from wide, meaning they take on a lot more shots so they're conversion should be a lot lower.

If you were to put all 3 through on goal and ask 1 million people to vote who is most likely to score, 1million wouldn't vote for DCL.

Again this isn't me digging out DCL for not scoring all sorts of goals that's not his game, but when your going to compare conversion rates they should be a fair reflection on the actual chance they are converting if that makes sense

 

[BlueToff]

We sold Lukaku in 2017 and Stones in 2016 and you could argue Barkley too (I know it was a bit of a different situation).

Issue we've had is a) not replacing them in advance like good teams with money - which at the time we did have money - should do and b) not replacing them adequately

I really hope we keep Dom but if Arsenal came in with £65-70m I'd accept. I say that much because he's on a long contract and he's a good striker in the Premier League, and he's English. It's the minimum we should ask for.

I also think he gets unfairly pigeonholed as a target man when actually he's got much more to his game. I stand by that he would score 30 a season for Man City with the amount of chances they create that a striker of his type would absolutely thrive on.

I think we're miles away. I don't know how good Patterson and Mykolenko will turn out to be so they might help but for me we're at least 2 centre halves and 2 central midfielders away from a starting eleven that's at that level. Then cover at both full backs, another good striker, and possibly better quality out wide too. I just don't think top 4 is a realistic aim at the moment, for me we're further away from it than we've been at any point for about the last 15 years.

I don't think we've really sold our assets at all, the only one in the last 5 years was Gueye. If anything there's an argument we haven't done enough of it. I wouldn't say any of the players you mentioned were 'flavour of the month' either. None of them were good signings but none of them were particularly popular at the time either, and 2 of them were moving down to come to us so can hardly have been flavour of the month.

I didn't say we had to have one or the other, I said if we're going to rebuild and play a different way then i'd prefer a different profile. As i've said a number of times, if he stays that's great.

 

[BlueToff]

@Lanolin xG graphics for Kane and DCL from the PL last season

 

[Barnfred 55]

I have no stats for it and happy to be proved wrong if you do, but my immediate thought about those stats would be that Salah and Kane are taking on more 'difficult' shots than DCL? Obviously the vast majority of DCL's goals come from close range, but my perception would be that most of his shots in general do too? He's not a player i'd associate with shooting from outside the box or mad angles, or shooting while on the run, all of which would have an effect on shot accuracy percentages.

Just an observation. Are there any Everton players you don't want to sell? It's just that you seem to be advocating getting shut of all our best players.

 

[GoldenToffee]

Just an observation. Are there any Everton players you don't want to sell? It's just that you seem to be advocating getting shut of all our best players.

Most of our players are crap though, in fairness, hence why we're on the verge of a massively difficult relegation battle. I for one wouldn't be disappointed to see the back of most of the squad, DCL and Richarlison included.

 

[Toffeepot]

Just not the same thing though, Salah and kane especially score all sorts of goals, inside outside, from wide, meaning they take on a lot more shots so they're conversion should be a lot lower.

If you were to put all 3 through on goal and ask 1 million people to vote who is most likely to score, 1million wouldn't vote for DCL.

Again this isn't me digging out DCL for not scoring all sorts of goals that's not his game, but when your going to compare conversion rates they should be a fair reflection on the actual chance they are converting if that makes sense

See my other post comparing him to other players....the reason I chose those two is because it doesn't matter if 1mil would back them to score 1v1 over DCL, we aren't getting either of them

 

[Toffeepot]

Most of our players are crap though, in fairness, hence why we're on the verge of a massively difficult relegation battle. I for one wouldn't be disappointed to see the back of most of the squad, DCL and Richarlison included.

But who would you replace them with? If it's not an upgrade then it's not worth it