2021/22 Rafael Benitez

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nsno-chris said:
He spent £250m, failed to deliver the league, and was sacked. And buying a house is not a business so that’s most pointless defence I’ve ever witnessed.

And out of the £250m I’d say he wasted the best part of £110m on Morientes, Crouch, Pennant, Leto, Babel, Dosenna, Cavalieri, Keane, Riera, Johnson, Kyragiakos and Aquiliani

So, as to my original post: yes he was backed.
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Liverpool made, overall, a nice profit on Benitez's purchases... but he:
A. inherited a squad worse than Everton's at the time
B. he was never backed in the same way Ferguson or Mourinho were backed; but he was, indeed, backed. Let's compare them to Arsenal: Wenger also is a proper manager, but he was never backed in the same way as Chelsea or Utd. He didn't win the league after 2003....

The names you come up with prove that point: decent players were not enough to win the league.

Crouch was sold at a profit. Never a failure.
Pennant was decent, not great. 6 million.
Don't even know Leto or Cavalieri. They can't be that important.
Babel: decent enough, sold at a loss
Dossena: cheap but effective
Keane: fail
Riera: fail
Glen Johnson & Kyragiakos: both decent but bought when things were looking bleak in the boardroom (if memory serves)

You forgot N'Gog though!

His hands were also tied by boardroom decisions, I read last month how he was forced to use Jay Spearing instead of signing Aaron Ramsey at 17....

We'll see. He's proving you wrong though.
 
Spadge Vernacular said:
All things considered we
really do need to be regularly competing at the right
end of the table.

You won’t find many complaints from the fans if so,
only growing support,
unless there is underhand interloping dividing the fan base.

Seeing us a few points off the top of the
table is pleasing.
i think the manager's approach of
lots of pressure,
lots of commitment will pay off.

Having the right mentality is key too,
even with this new tactic of counterattacking we
really need the team to show that ‘never say die’ approach
even when all seems lost.
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Agree with this and I, for one, appreciate you writing it in verse. ?
 
nsno-chris said:
He spent £250m, failed to deliver the league, and was sacked. And buying a house is not a business so that’s most pointless defence I’ve ever witnessed.

And out of the £250m I’d say he wasted the best part of £110m on Morientes, Crouch, Pennant, Leto, Babel, Dosenna, Cavalieri, Keane, Riera, Johnson, Kyragiakos and Aquiliani

So, as to my original post: yes he was backed.
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He won the CL and was considered a hero by most Liverpool supporters, which ironically seems to be the biggest objection Everton supporters have to his appointment.

I am not sure what point you are making... are you saying he was not a success because he didn't win the league even though he won the CL ?

Are you saying he was a failure in the transfer market ?... I would argue he was no better or worse than most.

Was he backed in the market by his club.... he was in the same way Klopp seems to be backed by using sales of the better players to fund purchases. I would guess Benitez had no problem with the backing he got from Liverpool just as he seems content with the plans at Everton even though so far he hasn't been backed at all.

I think he is a manager that backs himself to make players better and would expect realistic support from the board.
 
FrenchDarrenBent said:
Liverpool made, overall, a nice profit on Benitez's purchases... but he:
A. inherited a squad worse than Everton's at the time
B. he was never backed in the same way Ferguson or Mourinho were backed; but he was, indeed, backed. Let's compare them to Arsenal: Wenger also is a proper manager, but he was never backed in the same way as Chelsea or Utd. He didn't win the league after 2003....

The names you come up with prove that point: decent players were not enough to win the league.

Crouch was sold at a profit. Never a failure.
Pennant was decent, not great. 6 million.
Don't even know Leto or Cavalieri. They can't be that important.
Babel: decent enough, sold at a loss
Dossena: cheap but effective
Keane: fail
Riera: fail
Glen Johnson & Kyragiakos: both decent but bought when things were looking bleak in the boardroom (if memory serves)

You forgot N'Gog though!

His hands were also tied by boardroom decisions, I read last month how he was forced to use Jay Spearing instead of signing Aaron Ramsey at 17....

We'll see. He's proving you wrong though.
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Nobody cares
 

blueblue said:
He won the CL and was considered a hero by most Liverpool supporters, which ironically seems to be the biggest objection Everton supporters have to his appointment.

I am not sure what point you are making... are you saying he was not a success because he didn't win the league even though he won the CL ?

Are you saying he was a failure in the transfer market ?... I would argue he was no better or worse than most.

Was he backed in the market by his club.... he was in the same way Klopp seems to be backed by using sales of the better players to fund purchases. I would guess Benitez had no problem with the backing he got from Liverpool just as he seems content with the plans at Everton even though so far he hasn't been backed at all.

I think he is a manager that backs himself to make players better and would expect realistic support from the board.
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He spent £250m and they declined; he got sacked. The end
 
When be was at the RS, it really felt that he had a 'scattergun' approach to buying players. A few hit, a fair few missed. Someone mentioned 61 signings... that's a lot of players. Debatable which were successes, I concede, but we can't afford many misses. So far so good with Gray and Townsend though. Hope his good run continues.
 

nsno-chris said:
He spent £250m and they declined; he got sacked. The end
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That summary is absolutely ridiculous.

He got sacked after 6 years after outing the owners for the cowboys they were. Didn't get the players he wanted. Carragher and Gerrard have also admitted that they wrongly lobbied for Rafas removal and pushed for Hodgson to take over (arguably the worst Liverpool manager of all time).

Rafael had a net spend of just over 60 million in 6 years. He spent 230 mil on 61 players, which makes an average of just over 3 mil per player.
 
woodsyni said:
When be was at the RS, it really felt that he had a 'scattergun' approach to buying players. A few hit, a fair few missed. Someone mentioned 61 signings... that's a lot of players. Debatable which were successes, I concede, but we can't afford many misses. So far so good with Gray and Townsend though. Hope his good run continues.
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A lot of those signings were younger players.
 
Theoneandonly said:
That summary is absolutely ridiculous.

He got sacked after 6 years after outing the owners for the cowboys they were. Didn't get the players he wanted. Carragher and Gerrard have also admitted that they wrongly lobbied for Rafas removal and pushed for Hodgson to take over (arguably the worst Liverpool manager of all time).

Rafael had a net spend of just over 60 million in 6 years. He spent 230 mil on 61 players, which makes an average of just over 3 mil per player.
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Question 1) did he spend £250m
Question 2) did he get sacked because they were in decline?
 

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