Everton January 2022 Transfer Thread

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Marcel is a lost man happy to sit on a fat wage. Zero evidence of any scouting network for some time now. This fella just phones up the agents in his contacts and hopes for the best.
 

We know that when a player is out of contract and moves on a free transfer there is always a hefty signing-on fee... is there also a signing-on fee when a player is transferred from club to another for a fee, IE when still under contract?
 

TheBigIguana said:
120k is not a massive wedge can we please stop this
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For clubs with a larger turnover than us, maybe not.

For us, with an pre-existing unsustainable wages-to-turnover ratio? He's on too high a wage. And if we were going to sign a new face to a contract with that kind of wage, it would be a CM in his prime - someone who would come in as an instant starter in the middle of the park. Not someone who is going to be in a rotation with Demarai Gray.

The current rules allow clubs with greater overall revenue to pay their players more money. Surely you've grasped this by now? Or did you think we were culling players who rarely play for fun?

Maybe we get Hudson-Odoi on loan, with Chelsea paying 80% of his wages. And even then it will only be if we are not in a position to threaten their ambitions. But we aren't buying him. They'd probably ask £55m for him.
 
Tree13 said:
For clubs with a larger turnover than us, maybe not.

For us, with an pre-existing unsustainable wages-to-turnover ratio? He's on too high a wage. And if we were going to sign a new face to a contract with that kind of wage, it would be a CM in his prime - someone who would come in as an instant starter in the middle of the park. Not someone who is going to be in a rotation with Demarai Gray.

The current rules allow clubs with greater overall revenue to pay their players more money. Surely you've grasped this by now? Or did you think we were culling players who rarely play for fun?

Maybe we get Hudson-Odoi on loan, with Chelsea paying 80% of his wages. And even then it will only be if we are not in a position to threaten their ambitions. But we aren't buying him. They'd probably ask £55m for him.
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Gomes is coming off the books at a similar number. Keane/Holgate/Mina will be losing at least one and if it is Yerry he's a high earner too. Delph will go. And maybe James too. The wage is not a hold up.

So while I appreciate the details and the accompanying condescending tone I have looked at it and don't think the wages are an issue so big that we can't discuss the possibility of bringing home here. I'd like for there to be a discussion of Hudson-Odoi just once where it doesn't immediately devolve into a finances conversation which we frankly don't know the details of.
 
TheBigIguana said:
Gomes is coming off the books at a similar number. Keane/Holgate/Mina will be losing at least one and if it is Yerry he's a high earner too. Delph will go. And maybe James too. The wage is not a hold up.

So while I appreciate the details and the accompanying condescending tone I have looked at it and don't think the wages are an issue so big that we can't discuss the possibility of bringing home here. I'd like for there to be a discussion of Hudson-Odoi just once where it doesn't immediately devolve into a finances conversation which we frankly don't know the details of.
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I agree, except about having an open and candid discussion about the financial costs.

I don't know that he's the most efficient way to spend the money, but the only way we can figure that out is to have a real conversation about what he is likely to cost, what the alternatives are, what they likely cost and how good they are, relatively speaking.

It's how we would discuss buying furniture or a car with a spouse, so we ought to discuss players in the same way. Lord knows those of us that are/were married probably do/did a better job of doing those things than the club has been doing when it buys players.
 
Martin Alvito said:
I agree, except about having an open and candid discussion about the financial costs.

I don't know that he's the most efficient way to spend the money, but the only way we can figure that out is to have a real conversation about what he is likely to cost, what the alternatives are, what they likely cost and how good they are, relatively speaking.

It's how we would discuss buying furniture or a car with a spouse, so we ought to discuss players in the same way. Lord knows those of us that are/were married probably do/did a better job of doing those things than the club has been doing when it buys players.
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He's 20 and has been in stretches good enough for Chelsea but they buy more and more players to stack and front of him and then bring a manager in who has a system that requires that only three players can play attacking roles. They'd have to be talking 50m and 150k+ a week for it to even be in range of being something we walk away from.

I know people have a tough time understanding that good players can sometimes be underused (not saying you specifically, but we'll see "why's he not in their team?" or "his goals per game stinks") so it is likely to be unpopular but we'd be missing out. Dortmund want him. That's a sign.
 

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