2020/21 Carlo Ancelotti

Daveysgingerlovechild · May 30, 2021

COYBL25 said:
That would really work well wouldn`t it, with a midfield that`s more suited to playing walking football.

Kante alone, puts more of a shift in than our whole midfield.

Imagine Conte working with Davies, Gomes and Siggy. Ffs, his wig would fall off.

lungo · May 30, 2021

blueblue said:
It would be hard for you to be more incorrect. ...imo.

In fact, the season just gone,if anything, has shown just how creative Carlo is in team selection and formation.

The clearest example was the set up of the team and his use of Coleman in the Derby win against Liverpool, it was totally innovative , but there were many more during the season.

Carlo was hampered by not having an option wide on the right and spent the season trying to deal with that with varying degrees of success. Carlo also had injuries to James,DCL,Allan,Doucoure and Diane to deal with during the season without having the luxury, as Pep does, of having a more than adequate replacement to step in.

Last night highlighted to me that with the right players Carlo can compete with the City's and Chelsea's of this world
Last night showed to me also that with Pep there are limitations to his managerial ability but the array of talent at his disposal can mask his shortcomings. A brilliant manager still obviously

You are totally deluded. I havent seen a single second of good creative football from Everton last season. A few lucky wins, mostly by corners and free kicks, nothing else. Ancelottis game plan is non existent. He keeps it tide with a back 5 no creative midfielder and a high jumper upfront and hopes he can nick it from a corner!

BlueStevie35 · May 30, 2021

lungo said:
You are totally deluded. I havent seen a single second of good creative football from Everton last season. A few lucky wins, mostly by corners and free kicks, nothing else. Ancelottis game plan is non existent. He keeps it tide with a back 5 no creative midfielder and a high jumper upfront and hopes he can nick it from a corner!

Were you blind to the early season games? When we were scoring for fun?

nsno-chris · May 30, 2021

lungo said:
You are totally deluded. I havent seen a single second of good creative football from Everton last season. A few lucky wins, mostly by corners and free kicks, nothing else. Ancelottis game plan is non existent. He keeps it tide with a back 5 no creative midfielder and a high jumper upfront and hopes he can nick it from a corner!

Errr mate, that was his game plan. And it got implemented when we started losing players to injury and the replacements simply couldn’t keep the attacking football we started the season with.

You can piss and moan all you want, but he identified a concern and his solution was to resolve it by focusing on shape and defence.

Daveysgingerlovechild · May 30, 2021

lungo said:
You are totally deluded. I havent seen a single second of good creative football from Everton last season. A few lucky wins, mostly by corners and free kicks, nothing else. Ancelottis game plan is non existent. He keeps it tide with a back 5 no creative midfielder and a high jumper upfront and hopes he can nick it from a corner!

By definition that is a game plan, albeit a limited one.

nsno-chris said:
Errr mate, that was his game plan. And it got implemented when we started losing players to injury and the replacements simply couldn’t keep the attacking football we started the season with.

You can piss and moan all you want, but he identified a concern and his solution was to resolve it by focusing on shape and defence.

Beat me to it - by definition it is a game plan, albeit a limited one.

The Sunday morning hangovers are bringing the mischief makers out I feel.

blueblue · May 30, 2021

lungo said:
You are totally deluded. I havent seen a single second of good creative football from Everton last season. A few lucky wins, mostly by corners and free kicks, nothing else. Ancelottis game plan is non existent. He keeps it tide with a back 5 no creative midfielder and a high jumper upfront and hopes he can nick it from a corner!

I think maybe you need to look a little closer.

Terrarian · May 30, 2021

lungo said:
You are totally deluded. I havent seen a single second of good creative football from Everton last season. A few lucky wins, mostly by corners and free kicks, nothing else. Ancelottis game plan is non existent. He keeps it tide with a back 5 no creative midfielder and a high jumper upfront and hopes he can nick it from a corner!

You must have been asleep at the start of last season if you don't think we were creative and scoring for fun. Other factors came into play and I was hoping to finish the season as we started but we were too far gone by that point confidence and home form just wasn't there.

Bob Elstone · May 30, 2021

gwladysnight said:
Tonight's European show piece showed how far Carlo is behind the curve.

Carlo basically had no idea against City. Tuchel has won three out of three against Guardiola.

Chelsea were tactically excellent. Pressed high up the pitch, refused to give City an inch but carried a threat throughout the game. It was modern football at its best. Carlo is still playing the same way as he played at Milan 20 years ago.

How many of our spineless crabs get in the chelsea side?

compare the benches...we usually have two keepers and kids with no prem experience.

Deulofeumygod · May 30, 2021

Haha comparing Chelsea and everton and blaming Carlo.

Apart from DCL and digne and maybe James, I doubt any other player gets in that Chelsea 11

4737carlin · May 30, 2021

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Saint Domingo said:
We don’t need to get our lot working. Most of them are unable to play football at a top 6 level. They need to be moved on and better plyers brought in. Carlo might be just the man for that job.

You think we are going to go out and get 6 or 7 good players this summer? And they all fit?

Eggsyblueskin · May 30, 2021

4737carlin said:
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You think we are going to go out and get 6 or 7 good players this summer? And they all fit?

Which is exactly why building a side capable of challenging at the top will take multiple seasons and not 18months.
Team building is a managers greatest skill and his greatest challenge. It takes time for players to settle into a new team , they have to get used to their new teammates and the instructions of their new coach.
Certainly the idea of parachuting 7 new players straight into the first team and expecting them to immediately blend and go from the off not only puts massive pressure on management and players alike , but it is fraught with the likelihood of catastrophic collapse.
Personally I expect next season to be one of further development, with hopefully improved football and maybe finishing one or two places higher.
Season 22/23 is when I would like to think that we will be in a position to realistically battle for a top four place.

4737carlin · May 30, 2021

Eggsyblueskin said:
Which is exactly why building a side capable of challenging at the top will take multiple seasons and not 18months.
Team building is a managers greatest skill and his greatest challenge. It takes time for players to settle into a new team , they have to get used to their new teammates and the instructions of their new coach.
Certainly the idea of parachuting 7 new players straight into the first team and expecting them to immediately blend and go from the off not only puts massive pressure on management and players alike , but it is fraught with the likelihood of catastrophic collapse.
Personally I expect next season to be one of further development, with hopefully improved football and maybe finishing one or two places higher.
Season 22/23 is when I would like to think that we will be in a position to realistically battle for a top four place.

Are Carlo and Brands team builders? For example Napoli were second when he went there, Bayern Muhich were champions when he went there to replace Pep, Real Madrid were second and champions league semi finalist, you see the difference, he goes to great sides and works with them, when has he built a bang average mid table team into a top one?
Im saying he is a great manager, but at great sides, working with junk dosent seem to be something he has a record of doing well, so it could turn out to be the totally wrong fit for us.

MikeH72 · May 30, 2021

Deulofeumygod said:
Haha comparing Chelsea and everton and blaming Carlo.

Apart from DCL and digne and maybe James, I doubt any other player gets in that Chelsea 11

DCL and Digne don’t get in their team.

brieverton · May 30, 2021

Daveysgingerlovechild said:
Imagine Conte working with Davies, Gomes and Siggy. Ffs, his wig would fall off.

I think he said once his natural feeling towards players who didn't follow his instructions and show enough commitment was to (sic) "kill" them.

Conte the Everton ripper. Would solve a lot of problems for Brands.

Eggsyblueskin · May 30, 2021

4737carlin said:
Are Carlo and Brands team builders? For example Napoli were second when he went there, Bayern Muhich were champions when he went there to replace Pep, Real Madrid were second and champions league semi finalist, you see the difference, he goes to great sides and works with them, when has he built a bang average mid table team into a top one?
Im saying he is a great manager, but at great sides, working with junk dosent seem to be something he has a record of doing well, so it could turn out to be the totally wrong fit for us.

I fully agree.
But we have to allow him the time to succeed or fail , peremptorily sacking managers at every misstep destroys any hope of building a cohesive squad as we are now witnessing, to our detriment.
I would hope that even if he does ultimately fail that he will leave us with at least the foundations of a functioning team.