Usmanov

[catcherintherye]

There you go again.

WACC is not the cost of borrowing money. You post absolute rubbish and then when someone challenges you on your completely idiotic postings you accuse them of being a Liverpool fan. That is why you get away with posting nonsense.

WACC isn't the cost of borrowing money. It is a formula that enables investors to see the cost of capital, you clown. The cost of debt is one of six variables used to calculate WACC. (five if you accept that V is the combination of Market value of the firm’s equity + Market value of the firm’s debt)

Being able to calculate WACC is one of the key pillars of investing. Pretty amazing that someone who claims to be a master investor doesn't even know the basics.

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You're the only person who's said I'm a master investor not me.

WACC is the cost the business has to acquire capital, so in essence the figure they will pay to access liquidity. So it function in a way akin to how borrowing capital exists. Of course there are subtle difference, but the wider point is, even successful businesses with very wealthy owners are comfortable to pay a premium, and often a premium above 7%. Thats the point you seem to be lost with.

As it happens, the WACC is not really a central feature of most investors. They will look at ROIC in isolation, PE, FCF, revenue growth, profit growth, PB ratio, inventory etc are all prioritised over WACC. I quite like WACC though and will utilise it (hence why I pointed out that the WACC rate for Amazon is over the rate we are paying on our loan). As you seem to think I can't calculate WACC would you be able to offer the actual WACC rate for Amazon and where I was wrong in my calculations? Or are you just doing to keep being rude because someone has demonstrated an understanding of something you don't seem to be able to grasp.

I haven't called you a Kopite once, so I'm not sure why you've offered that as a defence? You just come across as a bit rude and ignorant, which can be seen by the fact pretty much everyone on here seems to be critical of you. There is a reason for that.

 

[Yarrgh]

There you go again.

WACC is not the cost of borrowing money. You post absolute rubbish and then when someone challenges you on your completely idiotic postings you accuse them of being a Liverpool fan. That is why you get away with posting nonsense.

WACC isn't the cost of borrowing money. It is a formula that enables investors to see the cost of capital, you clown. The cost of debt is one of six variables used to calculate WACC. (five if you accept that V is the combination of Market value of the firm’s equity + Market value of the firm’s debt)

Being able to calculate WACC is one of the key pillars of investing. Pretty amazing that someone who claims to be a master investor doesn't even know the basics.

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Didn't know quantity surveyors were so involved in investing and stuff.

 

[Yarrgh]

I find it strange we have a Oligarch benefactor behind the scenes at the club with his best mate being the face of the club as chairman.

Then I see on Twitter that we are looking for private investment to fund our summer transfers to the the tune of £100 million.

Why did we not do that last year before taking out 3 loans.

Something to do with the WACC apparently.

 

[Yarrgh]

Nope catcher is someone who posts that 2+2=5. Anyone who points out that the answer is actually 4 MUST be a Liverpool fan. For the sheep on here then to point out that the answer is 4 would be to admit that they have been hoodwinked by a semi eloquent con man.

I don't think I have ever seen a single poster who posts such factually inaccurate nonsense. He truly is the Donald Trump of GOT. I am sure that if Catcher stated that the Premier League was stolen from us and that we should be Champions then there would be hordes of people who would go along with it because it would make them feel better.

Our Club is taking loans out all over the place, is looking for a private investment of £100m and needs to fund a Stadium that is likely to cost well North of £500m+. Yet instead of asking questions about the amount of debt we are taking on, posters would rather have the safety blanket of us being owned by Usmanov and a fairy tale story that everything will come good in the end.

Wake up and smell the coffee Everton FC the club we love is probably in the most dangerous situation it has been in its history.

Well he successfully has you dangling on the end of his line.

Actually catcher is a poster who is quite open to changing his mind when the evidence contradicts his viewpoint. He will concede many a point in his debates too. I wonder why he isn't here?

 

[ForeverBlue92]

LONG LIVE USMANOV

 

[catcherintherye]

Nope catcher is someone who posts that 2+2=5. Anyone who points out that the answer is actually 4 MUST be a Liverpool fan. For the sheep on here then to point out that the answer is 4 would be to admit that they have been hoodwinked by a semi eloquent con man.

I don't think I have ever seen a single poster who posts such factually inaccurate nonsense. He truly is the Donald Trump of GOT. I am sure that if Catcher stated that the Premier League was stolen from us and that we should be Champions then there would be hordes of people who would go along with it because it would make them feel better.

Our Club is taking loans out all over the place, is looking for a private investment of £100m and needs to fund a Stadium that is likely to cost well North of £500m+. Yet instead of asking questions about the amount of debt we are taking on, posters would rather have the safety blanket of us being owned by Usmanov and a fairy tale story that everything will come good in the end.

Wake up and smell the coffee Everton FC the club we love is probably in the most dangerous situation it has been in its history.

Haha good god what is this.

Most people on here just think I'm a (slightly annoying) verbose waffler, not some charismatic cult leader.

 

[ForeverBlue92]

I find it strange we have a Oligarch benefactor behind the scenes at the club with his best mate being the face of the club as chairman.

Then I see on Twitter that we are looking for private investment to fund our summer transfers to the the tune of £100 million.

Why did we not do that last year before taking out 3 loans.

Nope it says the club not Farhad is seeking £100 million of private investment i.e "please give us another £100 million to spend Mr Moshiri" as any money given from the owner/shareholders is considered private investment i.e not funds generated by the club itself.

 

[gwladysnight]

You're the only person who's said I'm a master investor not me.

WACC is the cost the business has to acquire capital, so in essence the figure they will pay to access liquidity. So it function in a way akin to how borrowing capital exists. Of course there are subtle difference, but the wider point is, even successful businesses with very wealthy owners are comfortable to pay a premium, and often a premium above 7%. Thats the point you seem to be lost with.

As it happens, the WACC is not really a central feature of most investors. They will look at ROIC in isolation, PE, FCF, revenue growth, profit growth, PB ratio, inventory etc are all prioritised over WACC. I quite like WACC though and will utilise it (hence why I pointed out that the WACC rate for Amazon is over the rate we are paying on our loan). As you seem to think I can't calculate WACC would you be able to offer the actual WACC rate for Amazon and where I was wrong in my calculations? Or are you just doing to keep being rude because someone has demonstrated an understanding of something you don't seem to be able to grasp.

I haven't called you a Kopite once, so I'm not sure why you've offered that as a defence? You just come across as a bit rude and ignorant, which can be seen by the fact pretty much everyone on here seems to be critical of you. There is a reason for that.

You are just digging yourself a deeper hole, Catcher.

Amazon's WACC is 8.01%. Here is how you work it out.

Amazon.com's Weighted Average Cost Of Capital (WACC) for Today is calculated as:

WACC	=	E / (E + D)	*	Cost of Equity	+	D / (E + D)	*	Cost of Debt	*	(1 - Tax Rate)
	=	0.957	*	8.28%	+	0.043	*	2.2318%	*	(1 - 14.415%)
	=	8.01%

You can quite clearly see that WACC and cost of debt are two completely different things.

Here is a calculation of the interest rate that Amazon is borrowing at.

Amazon.com's interest expense (positive number) was $1647 Mil. Its total Book Value of Debt (D) is $73797 Mil.
Cost of Debt = 1647 / 73797 = 2.2318%.

So Amazon borrow money at just over 2% and not 8%. I look forward to your response.

 

[matty1878]

You are just digging yourself a deeper hole, Catcher.

Amazon's WACC is 8.01%. Here is how you work it out.

Amazon.com's Weighted Average Cost Of Capital (WACC) for Today is calculated as:

WACC	=	E / (E + D)	*	Cost of Equity	+	D / (E + D)	*	Cost of Debt	*	(1 - Tax Rate)
	=	0.957	*	8.28%	+	0.043	*	2.2318%	*	(1 - 14.415%)
	=	8.01%

You can quite clearly see that WACC and cost of debt are two completely different things.

Here is a calculation of the interest rate that Amazon is borrowing at.

Amazon.com's interest expense (positive number) was $1647 Mil. Its total Book Value of Debt (D) is $73797 Mil.
Cost of Debt = 1647 / 73797 = 2.2318%.

So Amazon borrow money at just over 2% and not 8%. I look forward to your response.

who gives a poo

 

[Martin Alvito]

I don't think I have ever seen a single poster who posts such factually inaccurate nonsense. He truly is the Donald Trump of GOT.. I am sure that if Catcher stated that the Premier League was stolen from us and that we should be Champions then there would be hordes of people who would go along with it because it would make them feel better.

It's the ad hominem attacks that make us think you're a Kopite.

We try not to do a lot of that around here. We have plenty of trolls, but we know they're trolls, and we all have fun with it.

If you want to fly under our Kopite radar, you need to work on that.

 

[gwladysnight]

who gives a poo

Cool so you don't care that we are borrowing £100m+ at 7% instead of 2% because the banks won't touch us.

 

[Yarrgh]

You are just digging yourself a deeper hole, Catcher.

Amazon's WACC is 8.01%. Here is how you work it out.

Amazon.com's Weighted Average Cost Of Capital (WACC) for Today is calculated as:

WACC	=	E / (E + D)	*	Cost of Equity	+	D / (E + D)	*	Cost of Debt	*	(1 - Tax Rate)
	=	0.957	*	8.28%	+	0.043	*	2.2318%	*	(1 - 14.415%)
	=	8.01%

You can quite clearly see that WACC and cost of debt are two completely different things.

Here is a calculation of the interest rate that Amazon is borrowing at.

Amazon.com's interest expense (positive number) was $1647 Mil. Its total Book Value of Debt (D) is $73797 Mil.
Cost of Debt = 1647 / 73797 = 2.2318%.

So Amazon borrow money at just over 2% and not 8%. I look forward to your response.

Are you now conflating interest rates and WACC? Ya big waccadoodle!

 

[Tin-Tin]

So does borrowing this £100m not affect FFP? Is it a workround of the rules?

 

[gwladysnight]

Are you now conflating interest rates and WACC? Ya big waccadoodle!

Catcher is the one who thinks WACC and interest rates are the same thing not me.

 

[toffee-boy]

Wow this has escalated