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lets be honest, we have a team half full of cowards
3 times last night in the second half, Gomez and Iwobi pulled out of 50/50 challenges
our midfield is shocking. granted Dac and Allen are good buys, but if one of them is out there is too much covering and work for the other to do which impacts on their own game

massive summer coming up as we know, so much [Poor language removed] to move on. We have to take a huge loss on some of these so called players just to get rid
 
Honestly what is your purpose here?

You never post anything about the club good or bad, never seen you post anything about our highs and lows.

What is that really? Nothing in your blood seems to indicate anything about how much you support this club.

Maybe your a lifelong season ticket holder , you just come across as some artifical bot trying to earn his place on the forum as some mop up mod.

Leave him to stew that's the best thing to do. He is clearly a frustrated sexual misogynist.
 
We keep telling ourselves a player there a player here every window but the mentality under pressure is shocking. Back under Howard's first stint he brought leadership and talent for buttons and we sailed , Philip Carter? I can't tell you if he had an impact or not but there is something missing in this club. Leadership and belief starts from the top, Mosh can't fault him for the dough and commitment but we are missing a sense of identity, vision and courage to make these well paid players be a team.

You seem to be suggesting that Kendall came in, waved a magic wand, barely spent and got things right straight away. In HK's first season in charge we finished 8th.

We spent around £1.67M in the 81/82 market. Comparing that market to todays is ridiculous. Our spending was in excess of many sides who finished comfortably above us and the RS won the league spending £2M so it's not like Kendall's Everton were not spending to the same degree as our immediate rivals in that market. A few teams spent less and did much better.

You can repeat that for his second season. A finish of 7th place and although the spending dropped to less than 500K it was the same story for many rivals who did better. Again, including those from over the park who won the title and Man Utd who finished 3rd spending less.

That season also included a 0-5 drubbing in the derby at Goodison which was the epitome of a rudderless ship lacking talent and leadership. Again, second season, not first.

HK's 3rd season got off to a terrible start and he was on the verge of being sacked. 6 wins from 21 and a board were being vilified for a lack of ambition and sentimentality around a former player as manager. Another flat defeat at Anfield. Fans were staying away and graffiti was on the training ground walls. That sounds a bit worse than the current malaise.

That is not the story of a manager coming in and fixing things for buttons. That's a manager coming in and taking 2-3 seasons to get it right while being financially backed to the same level, and sometimes more, than most of his rivals. He brought in a player here, a player there and eventually changed the mentality at the club.

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“When you inherit players who are under contract you are stuck with them. He was trying to balance things. It does take time for a manager to make the changes he wants and it was no different for Howard.”
“He did not find the right blend in midfield at first, which is why he played himself. It was later on, after he signed Kevin Sheedy, Peter Reid and Trevor Steven that things really came together.”

Kevin Ratcliffe

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Names aside that's pretty much the same spot Ancelotti is in with this current squad. If Ancelotti doesn't have a pot after 3 full seasons and the team is still looking lost then the comparisons to Kendall's reinvention might start being relevant.
 
You seem to be suggesting that Kendall came in, waved a magic wand, barely spent and got things right straight away. In HK's first season in charge we finished 8th.

We spent around £1.67M in the 81/82 market. Comparing that market to todays is ridiculous. Our spending was in excess of many sides who finished comfortably above us and the RS won the league spending £2M so it's not like Kendall's Everton were not spending to the same degree as our immediate rivals in that market. A few teams spent less and did much better.

You can repeat that for his second season. A finish of 7th place and although the spending dropped to less than 500K it was the same story for many rivals who did better. Again, including those from over the park who won the title and Man Utd who finished 3rd spending less.

That season also included a 0-5 drubbing in the derby at Goodison which was the epitome of a rudderless ship lacking talent and leadership. Again, second season, not first.

HK's 3rd season got off to a terrible start and he was on the verge of being sacked. 6 wins from 21 and a board were being vilified for a lack of ambition and sentimentality around a former player as manager. Another flat defeat at Anfield. Fans were staying away and graffiti was on the training ground walls. That sounds a bit worse than the current malaise.

That is not the story of a manager coming in and fixing things for buttons. That's a manager coming in and taking 2-3 seasons to get it right while being financially backed to the same level, and sometimes more, than most of his rivals. He brought in a player here, a player there and eventually changed the mentality at the club.

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“When you inherit players who are under contract you are stuck with them. He was trying to balance things. It does take time for a manager to make the changes he wants and it was no different for Howard.”
“He did not find the right blend in midfield at first, which is why he played himself. It was later on, after he signed Kevin Sheedy, Peter Reid and Trevor Steven that things really came together.”

Kevin Ratcliffe

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Names aside that's pretty much the same spot Ancelotti is in with this current squad. If Ancelotti doesn't have a pot after 3 full seasons and the team is still looking lost then the comparisons to Kendall's reinvention might start being relevant.
great post buddy. these bozos will have wanted mr kendall out. they are truly enemy of the everton and it is why i will not let them rest.
 

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The most frustrating aspect is that they have been worse than 5h1t this season and they can because they have no one to answer to. They just go from game to game without really putting any effort in and picking up their monumental pay cheques. As a fan base we can not relay how unhappy with them we are! A full Goodison would have told them what they thought!

So they drift along thinking everything is rosey....... It isnt, this gutless bunch will never get a team as big as Everton to play for so they best start making the most of it because hopefully some are gone in the next window.....
 
The manager could do with giving them a platform for it. He did a Silva yesterday, toss on a third striker and pray.
 

Maybe we are and other elite footballers do not just roll over and just let them win?

Please stop confusing elite athletes with your own beliefs that they should run round like that bloke from Braveheart.
Well thanks for badly explaining my post, it really helped. I was mainly asking when they would... start controlling simple passes, be able to pass a ball accurately, stick with your man, understand direction, and yes show a bit of desire, spirit and fight.

That better?
 
Well thanks for badly explaining my post, it really helped. I was mainly asking when they would... start controlling simple passes, be able to pass a ball accurately, stick with your man, understand direction, and yes show a bit of desire, spirit and fight.

That better?
So you were asking exactly when they would run round like headless chickens as per the bold.
 
So you were asking exactly when they would run round like headless chickens as per the bold.
Congratulations on completely misunderstanding 2 consecutive posts and interpreting them both wrongly but we are in a thread titled "Fight Back".
I never mentioned Scottish folk heroes or poultry anywhere.
 
Nonsense nonsense nonsense Braveheart.
Talking of Braveheart as you are, I neither know nor care what your opinion on Ferguson is but without using "desire, spirit and fight" can you give me 5 words to describe him, Peter Reid and Tim Cahill?
 

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