New proposed offside rule

[Ring master]

So big question is can our defence handle this new rule

No one will know the Rules lol, someone will mess the meaning up of the "New" Rule up no doubt, and then we have all the moaning after the game it happened in

 

[mrb85]

VAR should only be applied to the pass in to the scorer. That would at least cut out the whole debate about phases of play. So many goals are currently being disallowed because of a marginal offside in the build up detected only by VAR. Even worse, there's no set definition of what a phase of play is. There's no time definition or criteria related to number of passes between the detected infringement and the ball hitting the net. Wasn't there a case on the continent this season where the gap was nearly 2 minutes but the goal was wiped out?

 

[TheBigIguana]

VAR should only be applied to the pass in to the scorer. That would at least cut out the whole debate about phases of play. So many goals are currently being disallowed because of a marginal offside in the build up detected only by VAR. Even worse, there's no set definition of what a phase of play is. There's no time definition or criteria related to number of passes between the detected infringement and the ball hitting the net. Wasn't there a case on the continent this season where the gap was nearly 2 minutes but the goal was wiped out?

So if you run through miles offside but lay it off it stands as the pass to the scorer was fine?

 

[Seanjd]

So if you run through miles offside but lay it off it stands as the pass to the scorer was fine?

The linesmen can do their job in those situations.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Put a small transmitter chip on the back of each player's shirt, up near the neck. Use these to transmit player's positions to the VAR in order to draw the lines. Each player is then measured by the center "bulk" of their body and not by a shirt sleeve or finger or shoe-lace. I'm certain the technology is available to do this (?). Does anyone know? People put all sorts of small tracking devices on wild life, so it seems that this is possible.

Not all leagues have the finances and capability to do this though. Rules need to be universal and applicable at all levels.

Surely the attacker is already favoured simply by virtue of running towards the goal. I think the whole point of the offside rule is to temper that advantage, but trying to get it down to millimetres is just counter-productive. We should just go back to clear daylight between the defender and attacker.

Can't go back to a rule that was never a rule in the first place.

 

[verreauxi]

Not all leagues have the finances and capability to do this though. Rules need to be universal and applicable at all levels.

I agree, but the disparity already exists in the PL versus other leagues in the EFL; only the PL uses VAR the other leagues don't. So if one league is to use VAR then why not try to make it less arbitrary.

 

[ClausThomsen]

No one will know the Rules lol, someone will mess the meaning up of the "New" Rule up no doubt, and then we have all the moaning after the game it happened in

Loads have never known the precise rules for all kinds of things.

There's plenty who think they know the rules but a significant number of them don't actually know the more advanced or obscure rules. That goes for professional footballers and pundits as well as your average spectator.

Not a surprise because none of us sit and read IFAB press releases and updates at the start of the season.

For example, under current rules an accidental handball by an attacking player that leads to a goal scoring chance for a teammate should see the defending team rewarded a free kick. That's caused a lot of confusion this year as plenty didn't know the rules around handball (ball to hand, unnatural position etc).

It's very likely that from next season it will no longer be case and it will be dealt with as a non-punishable accidental handball and play should continue. But how many people will know the rule has changed?

 

[ClausThomsen]

I agree, but the disparity already exists in the PL versus other leagues in the EFL; only the PL uses VAR the other leagues don't. So if one league is to use VAR then why not try to make it less arbitrary.

Because VAR doesn't alter the laws of the game. They should surely be constant throughout.

 

[TheBigIguana]

The linesmen can do their job in those situations.

Having watched the sport before VAR I can assure this is not always true

 

[KaiserEFC]

Just get rid of the offside rule. The carnage would be refreshing

 

[Magus]

Not all leagues have the finances and capability to do this though. Rules need to be universal and applicable at all levels.



Can't go back to a rule that was never a rule in the first place.

Well I'm happy to admit I haven't read the rules, but this is the way it was applied when I played many years ago, and the players and ref could clearly see when the attacker had got beyond the defence relative to when the ball was played. There wasn't really much fuss about it either, everyone accepted that the officials were not infallible. trying to micro-manage the situation seems to be causing more dispute, not less.

 

[Librarian]

In the future players will wear electrified torques round their necks which will taser them if they stray offside.

Robots with infrared sensors will patrol the touch line.

 

[ClausThomsen]

Well I'm happy to admit I haven't read the rules, but this is the way it was applied when I played many years ago, and the players and ref could clearly see when the attacker had got beyond the defence relative to when the ball was played. There wasn't really much fuss about it either, everyone accepted that the officials were not infallible. trying to micro-manage the situation seems to be causing more dispute, not less.

The daylight "rule" was definitely an informal bit of advice for a lino. Stands to reason that they should only flag for something they definitely see rather than something they think they saw.

You've nailed the biggest problem, accepting decisions. There is a a lot of blame put at the door of VAR but VAR is a symptom of what is wrong - not the cause.

The blanket coverage, especially this season with all games being broadcast, has led to ridiculous amounts of scrutiny and manufactured controversy which in turn leads to football authorities worrying about negative feedback on their "product" and trying to eliminate any margin for error.

Mic up refs so people can hear the reasons for a decision and maybe provide a bit of education on the rules for viewers. But most of all fans and broadcasters need to grow up a bit and accept that sometimes it doesn't go the way you'd like it. Have a moan and move on instead of trying to iron out every flaw in a game that is so open to interpretation and unusual occurences.

 

[Martin Alvito]

So big question is can our defence handle this new rule

Anyone that tells you that they can say one way or another about any given defense is lying.

With a rules change this substantive, no one fully understands the implications.

 

[number4.]

This rule would be an unmitigated disaster......

I know there have been a good few screenshots etc of what would be offside with the new rules, but build on it, its the unforeseen circumstances of this that would be a disaster.

This rule change, would effectively mean that high lines, pushing up are a thing of the past. Football would change dramatically, "park the bus" would become the norm as it is the only option & more concerningly, I think it would lead to more head injuries as all frees would effectively be dropped on top of the goalkeeper.

It seems like a small change, my take is it would turn the game upside down & there would still be the same amount of VAR checks, just different ones.