Everton Summer transfers 2021

[Martin Alvito]

Your only ever as good as your last game on here.

Surely you know this?

This is true of many jobs. A track record often buys time during a rough patch, but does not substitute for present results.

That said, I do agree with your point that many people on here are guilty of recency bias when evaluating players. To be fair, human beings tend to be bad about that.

 

[TheBigIguana]

I think that the communication problem here lies in nuance.

It's overly reductive, IMO, to label either signing "good" or "bad". In retrospect, I bet United wishes they'd gotten the Madrid deal done, had replaced him with a comparable keeper on lower wages, and had reinvested the proceeds and wages in the squad. (Assuming Woodward hadn't screwed it up, which he might well have.) That said, de Gea was spectacular for years before that. They don't regret bringing him in initially, for sure. In his heyday, he was probably worth a good ten points a season or more.

The Alisson deal absolutely made sense in the immediate term, but it remains to be seen if they mortgaged the future to get those titles.

There are signings that it's easy to say were "good" (DCL) and ones that were obviously "bad" (Delph) where extreme value for the money was, or was not, received. Not all signings fit neatly into those categories. I would argue that the de Gea situation is more complex and that the Alisson deal may (or may not) turn out to be.

Mortgaging the future is, imo, fine when you actually win a league and Champions League. It can't really be used as a criticism at that point.

Everton mortgaging the future like we are sort of kind of coming close to would not be good if we can't even hit 4th.

 

[Goat]

This is true of many jobs. A track record often buys time during a rough patch, but does not substitute for present results.

That said, I do agree with your point that many people on here are guilty of recency bias when evaluating players. To be fair, human beings tend to be bad about that.

We all do it, I just hate the way people say "Yeah, ********* has played well the last few games, but what about this game 6 weeks ago when they did this".

We saw it with Keane, been an utter ROCK for 18months now, he mistimed 1 header versus United and suddenly he was a weak coward who should be replaced ASAP.

 

[Wizard]

I think right back, right mid, centre mid are the most pressing positions in the summer. We've lost way more points this season due to lacking in those positions than we have because of Pickford. I'd put backup striker ahead of Pickford too except for the fact that the situation there is a bit more confused due to Moise Kean.

 

[TheBigIguana]

We all do it, I just hate the way people say "Yeah, ********* has played well the last few games, but what about this game 6 weeks ago when they did this".

We saw it with Keane, been an utter ROCK for 18months now, he mistimed 1 header versus United and suddenly he was a weak coward who should be replaced ASAP.

Yes Pickford has done alright the last two games but what about the two entire calendar years before that?

Is that wrong to ask?

 

[Goat]

Yes Pickford has done alright the last two games but what about the two entire calendar years before that?

Is that wrong to ask?

Its been longer than 2 games.

As I say, I don't have a major issue with replacing Pickford.

But you need to realise the weight his Englands number 1 holds, which you never will, that's fine.

I forget which game it was, but I was done with him a long time ago.

To repeat myself, I don't think the club considers it as high on the list as you and others do, thus I don't see us replacing Pickford this summer.

We should leave it there and move on to other subjects at this point, cos the circles we are doing are making me dizzy.

Dont REPLY!

 

[Martin Alvito]

Everton mortgaging the future like we are sort of kind of coming close to would not be good if we can't even hit 4th.

This is exactly what I am saying about splashing big cash on a goalkeeper right now. I don't think this summer is the time.

We all do it, I just hate the way people say "Yeah, ********* has played well the last few games, but what about this game 6 weeks ago when they did this".

We saw it with Keane, been an utter ROCK for 18months now, he mistimed 1 header versus United and suddenly he was a weak coward who should be replaced ASAP.

It's reasonable to include those circumstances in the overall evaluation, but they shouldn't drive it.

Yes Pickford has done alright the last two games but what about the two entire calendar years before that?

Is that wrong to ask?

No, but him getting rid of the biggest category of mistakes (failing to catch the ball with confidence) that has plagued him for so long is an extremely promising sign.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Goat doesn't want me to reply so I won't but this idea that the run is longer than just the last few weeks is not on for me. His 2 appearances before his injury were screwing up against Leicester and allowing 2 goals from 3 shots on target against Newcastle.

But fine guys, keep living in make believe world where he's going to turn it around after two years of abject crapness.

 

[TheBigIguana]

This is exactly what I am saying about splashing big cash on a goalkeeper right now. I don't think this summer is the time.



It's reasonable to include those circumstances in the overall evaluation, but they shouldn't drive it.



No, but him getting rid of the biggest category of mistakes (failing to catch the ball with confidence) that has plagued him for so long is an extremely promising sign.

His biggest problem imo is he doesn't make enough saves. The mistakes just make it even worse.

 

[Goat]

But fine guys, keep living in make believe world where he's going to turn it around after two years of abject crapness.

FFS!!!!!!!

For me that's all I've got, given I don't expect him to be replaced.

 

[Martin Alvito]

His biggest problem imo is he doesn't make enough saves. The mistakes just make it even worse.

He'd been making the saves you'd expect a goalkeeper to make by and large. It's the rebounds that were killing us.

No one's going to confuse him with an elite shot stopper like Oblak or peak Buffon, but he's an acceptable shot stopper at the Prem level when he controls his area and doesn't cough up silly second chances.

Like DCL, he's probably going to need a run of form with that problem corrected to convince a lot of people. But it's extremely encouraging when you are saying, "This guy could be good if..." and then you see that major issue get fixed.

It's often a sign that they're aware of the problem and comfortable enough with the solution they've worked out to replicate it game after game.

 

[TheBigIguana]

He'd been making the saves you'd expect a goalkeeper to make by and large. It's the rebounds that were killing us.

No one's going to confuse him with an elite shot stopper like Oblak or peak Buffon, but he's an acceptable shot stopper at the Prem level when he controls his area and doesn't cough up silly second chances.

Like DCL, he's probably going to need a run of form with that problem corrected to convince a lot of people. But it's extremely encouraging when you are saying, "This guy could be good if..." and then you see that major issue get fixed.

It's often a sign that they're aware of the problem and comfortable enough with the solution they've worked out to replicate it game after game.

I just don't agree mate, sorry.

 

[carolinablue232]

We all do it, I just hate the way people say "Yeah, ********* has played well the last few games, but what about this game 6 weeks ago when they did this".

We saw it with Keane, been an utter ROCK for 18months now, he mistimed 1 header versus United and suddenly he was a weak coward who should be replaced ASAP.

Now now goat, only one person does that with Keane these days.

 

[Goat]

Now now goat, only one person does that with Keane these days.

Nar man, I saw a few who couldn't wait.

 

[RomanReigns]

that djenepo has stood out for me on a few occasions