Everton Summer transfers 2021

[Goat]

It’s called building a squad that a new manager wants. I’m not convinced we will sell a CB this summer, unless there’s an opportunity to buy one who ancelotti really likes and thinks he is a level about what we have.


But the reason we bought Gibson from Newcastle and branthwaite was, because of potential and they could save us and then make us a lot of money. You still need CB’s in your first team while they are developing.

watching Gibson for the 23’s he looked Quality. And I’m not saying he’s missed the boat, but going out to reading and not getting a game, would likely mean he has. And maybe sold in the summer or loaned again. Where he hopefully gets games. Because he probably would have been better staying and learning of ancelotti this season

If we take a punt on a youngster at 17 and he makes the step up in to the team by the 20. He takes someone’s place. That player now maybe he moved on for a decent fee, we can use for another part of the team. I know it’s not that simple.

But the club have huge hopes for Branthwaite and I think he will be on loan in the championship next season, but if he comes through that and at the start of the 22/23 season, he will be part of the squad and one of ancelotti’s 4 CB’s. Then one of the currents ones who’s not seen as a first choice, will be sacrificed.

Holgate, my money is on Holgate.

 

[Lanolin]

It’s called building a squad that a new manager wants. I’m not convinced we will sell a CB this summer, unless there’s an opportunity to buy one who ancelotti really likes and thinks he is a level about what we have.


But the reason we bought Gibson from Newcastle and branthwaite was, because of potential and what they could save us and then possibly make us a lot of money. You still need CB’s in your first team while they are developing.

watching Gibson for the 23’s he looked Quality. And I’m not saying he’s missed the boat, but going out to reading and not getting a game, would likely mean he has. And maybe sold in the summer or loaned again. Where he hopefully gets games. Because he probably would have been better staying and learning off ancelotti this season

If we take a punt on a youngster at 17 and he makes the step up in to the team by the 20. He takes someone’s place. That player now maybe he moved on for a decent fee, we can use for another part of the team. I know it’s not that simple.

But the club have huge hopes for Branthwaite and I think he will be on loan in the championship next season, but if he comes through that and at the start of the 22/23 season, he will be part of the squad and one of ancelotti’s 4 CB’s. Then one of the currents ones who’s not seen as a first choice, will be sacrificed.

Yeah I just disagree really. I wouldn't really say that was 'building' a squad, it's almost starting again from scratch. As I said, it's always difficult to know just how developed a young player is, but I would be quite surprised if Branthwaite isn't part of our squad next season. The step up from being a regular in the Championship to being 4th choice for us isn't that big, and while 19 is young it's not ridiculously young for a player to start being integrated if he's as highly rated as reports suggest. The likes of Stones, Gomez etc were about that age when they started to become regular first teamers. We'll see I suppose.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Yeah I just disagree really. I wouldn't really say that was 'building' a squad, it's almost starting again from scratch. As I said, it's always difficult to know just how developed a young player is, but I would be quite surprised if Branthwaite isn't part of our squad next season. The step up from being a regular in the Championship to being 4th choice for us isn't that big, and while 19 is young it's not ridiculously young for a player to start being integrated if he's as highly rated as reports suggest. The likes of Stones, Gomez etc were about that age when they started to become regular first teamers. We'll see I suppose.

So one of the others leaves this summer. If branthwaite is going to be part of the squad.

And I wouldn’t say starting again. It’s a new manager, who will always want to bring his own players in. Abs it’s a double whammy fir us, because of the crap we’ve bought in previous years

 

[Lanolin]

So one of the others leaves this summer. If branthwaite is going to be part of the squad.

And I wouldn’t say starting again. It’s a new manager, who will always want to bring his own players in. Abs it’s a double whammy fir us, because of the crap we’ve bought in previous years

Yeah that was what i was saying. I think it would make sense (in theory) to sell a centre half and have Branthwaite take their place in the squad. Obviously we all have different opinions on what we need and in what order but to me a keeper, a right back, a central midfielder, and 2 attackers of some variety are must haves, and to afford all that I think we'll need to make some decent sales. I think we need to start being a bit more proactive with sales and look to move on players on the fringes who might actually be worth something, not just players who aren't in our plans at all. I think if we decided we suddenly wanted to start defending higher up the pitch or playing tikitaka then a new centre half would be important, but I haven't seen anything to make me think we will, so I think the options already at the club will suffice for next year.

 

[catcherintherye]

Yeah that was what i was saying. I think it would make sense (in theory) to sell a centre half and have Branthwaite take their place in the squad. Obviously we all have different opinions on what we need and in what order but to me a keeper, a right back, a central midfielder, and 2 attackers of some variety are must haves, and to afford all that I think we'll need to make some decent sales. I think we need to start being a bit more proactive with sales and look to move on players on the fringes who might actually be worth something, not just players who aren't in our plans at all. I think if we decided we suddenly wanted to start defending higher up the pitch or playing tikitaka then a new centre half would be important, but I haven't seen anything to make me think we will, so I think the options already at the club will suffice for next year.

Holgate, on the wages he's likely on and the "profile" he has makes most sense doesn't it? Ancelotti clearly sees Keane as number 1, and increasingly Mina is cementing his place as a starter. His wages would also be quite prohibitive to sides.

As I think I said the other day, Holgate to a Bournemouth or equivalent would do well. There will always be a mistake in him, and in truth he will sometimes get done positionally as he's not natural at it, but he's quite quick, good on the ball, a good tackler, versatile with a good attitude. Probably for the first time in a while I see him as a squad player who's quite marketable. Players can prove you wrong, but I don't see him having the size, or the defensive fundamentals to be a top defender, but at 24, with consistency of selection at a side he would probably look really good. Fans of a club like Bournemouth (and a mean Bournemouth in the PL) would be more forgiving of his mistakes too.

The best deals in football and life more broadly are where you can see all parties get something from it. If Holgate pitched up at say Brighton next summer, I could see that.

 

[Lloydystark]

Going to be an interesting summer...

Mina: 2 years left on his deal so either its extended or hes sold.

Keane: Keep him and it means were playing a deep defence again next season and hes at peak value.

Holgate: Sell and we lose someone who can play across defence.


If we keep Godfrey + Branthwaite and one of those 3 players...sell the other two then we have funds for a big signing there.

Keane + Mina sold gives us the most money to go out and bring in a top level centre back.

Selling Mina and Keane? Our 2 starting CB’s.... Keane is a top class centre back why are you the only one to not see that?

 

[Lloydystark]

Didn't Keane sign a new contract a few months ago.

I hope so

 

[Lloydystark]

We have no Right back, a Keeper who throws the ball in the net most weeks, no midfielder who can pick a pass, 1 proper Striker and people think "Yep, lets just sell all our CBs and start again there", cos why not, right?

I don’t understand it at all, how can people actually say we should sell Keane or Mina ??? I literally don’t get it. People obsessed with age and selling On fees it’s bloody nonsense. Sell why there at there peak FFS ‍

 

[brian labone]

I hope so

Just looked it up and yes he signed a new contract until June 2025.

 

[jazzy]

Kean would be the big one. The sensible business decision would be to sell one of the centre halves and move Branthwaite into the squad. Ancelotti appears to favour Keane so I would imagine either Mina or Holgate. If you got £50m for Kean and Holgate it would be pretty good business as far as i'm concerned. I would guess players like Iwobi, Pickford and Gomes would be available alongside the obvious ones, but whether anybody would buy them I don't know.

I think you'd be disappointed if you got less than £70 million for Kean and Holgate , but in broad terms I fully agree.

 

[jazzy]

We should get £50-60mil for Kean alone based not only on my view but also Fab Romano.

Cant see Holgate being sold as at worst he covers all 4 defensive positions.

Mina has 2 years left on his deal and Keane is at peak value. Id not be surprised to see us sell both and invest in an Ancelotti choice of centre back...

Yes on this season's form Holgate covers 3 of the 4 defensive positions ( cant play left back) very badly.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

Selling Mina and Keane? Our 2 starting CB’s.... Keane is a top class centre back why are you the only one to not see that?

And you also thought Siggurdsson had a
Good game v city and Coleman is a club legend.
keane is a good CB, in amongst a number who could go to the euros. If he was top class, he wouid be England’s number 1

 

[Zatara]

I'm not sure that what 'Fab' Romano thinks we should get for him holds any more weight than what I think to be honest, but that doesn't really change the point at hand. I can't see it myself but if we got that much for him then even better, it's even more money we can reinvest.

I don't see Keane going. Forgetting my own opinion and just basing it on the way things have gone under Ancelotti, I'd be very surprised if we moved him on. As I said, I can imagine it being Mina or Holgate, I just thought Holgate was a bit easier to assign a value to so I used him in the example. The number of clubs who could match Mina's wages is small, the number of clubs who could match his wages and are at the sort of level where he would be seen as a good signing is smaller still. With Holgate, leaving aside that it's a bit of a stretch to say he covers all 4 positions, I'm just not sure that would be all that relevant. Godfrey basically offers that too if it was needed, but with a new right back and Coleman unlikely to be going anywhere I don't really think it would be a sensible move to hold on to him just on the off chance that you might need him to play full back if 3/4 other players were injured. There's also the matter of whether he'd want to stay to be honest. I just don't see him ever being a key player here, and if he sees it the same way he might think the time's right to try his luck elsewhere. He'll have been here 6 years and be turning 25, he's about to come out of the 'promising' category and into the 'bog standard PL journeyman' category if he doesn't make a position his own soon.

I'd be very surprised if we signed a first team centre half. I think there's probably 5 positions that we actually need players for, adding to that list by selling our first choice players in another position would seem like leaving ourselves an awful lot to do I think.

It’s called building a squad that a new manager wants. I’m not convinced we will sell a CB this summer, unless there’s an opportunity to buy one who ancelotti really likes and thinks he is a level about what we have.


But the reason we bought Gibson from Newcastle and branthwaite was, because of potential and what they could save us and then possibly make us a lot of money. You still need CB’s in your first team while they are developing.

watching Gibson for the 23’s he looked Quality. And I’m not saying he’s missed the boat, but going out to reading and not getting a game, would likely mean he has. And maybe sold in the summer or loaned again. Where he hopefully gets games. Because he probably would have been better staying and learning off ancelotti this season

If we take a punt on a youngster at 17 and he makes the step up in to the team by the 20. He takes someone’s place. That player now maybe he moved on for a decent fee, we can use for another part of the team. I know it’s not that simple.

But the club have huge hopes for Branthwaite and I think he will be on loan in the championship next season, but if he comes through that and at the start of the 22/23 season, he will be part of the squad and one of ancelotti’s 4 CB’s. Then one of the currents ones who’s not seen as a first choice, will be sacrificed.

Holgate, on the wages he's likely on and the "profile" he has makes most sense doesn't it? Ancelotti clearly sees Keane as number 1, and increasingly Mina is cementing his place as a starter. His wages would also be quite prohibitive to sides.

As I think I said the other day, Holgate to a Bournemouth or equivalent would do well. There will always be a mistake in him, and in truth he will sometimes get done positionally as he's not natural at it, but he's quite quick, good on the ball, a good tackler, versatile with a good attitude. Probably for the first time in a while I see him as a squad player who's quite marketable. Players can prove you wrong, but I don't see him having the size, or the defensive fundamentals to be a top defender, but at 24, with consistency of selection at a side he would probably look really good. Fans of a club like Bournemouth (and a mean Bournemouth in the PL) would be more forgiving of his mistakes too.

The best deals in football and life more broadly are where you can see all parties get something from it. If Holgate pitched up at say Brighton next summer, I could see that.

Ancelotti has said that having players who can plauy several positions is important for him. So I think with Holgate able to play LB/CB/RB/DM he's at worst a utility player.

People are forgetting his performances last season + his injury at the start of this season and that hes been in/out of the team. He has a contract to 2025.

Mina is our best centre back when on form. I dont think thats really disputed. However he's had injury set backs and does have the odd error in him. He also only has 2 years left on his contract.

Keane is at his peak value while only being able to perform in a deep defence. He has a contract until 2025.

For all the comments about "Keane and Mina being the best partnership" the problem is that we always have to sit very deep with them. This then means the midfield needs to also come deeper and our forwards are isolated.

I think we need to see Godfrey come into the 11 now at LCB. He's too good not to be a starter.


In terms of who to keep, then if we keep Godfrey, Branthwaite, Keane, Mina, Holgate then it would mean that were really committing to playing deep next season again -- which, with the right full backs and defensive midfielder would be fine. We could also loan branthwaite out for experience if we wanted.

I think if we have branthwaite in the squad and intend to play 4 at the back then 2 of Holgate, Mina and Keane should be sold. In my view, we cant keep playing deep every single game and especially not against the likes of Fulham and Burnley. Its madness.

If he goes on loan then just one player out with a new player in.

Im pretty confident that will be the case. I also dont see how this affects our need for other positions to be filled.

In addition i think Ancelotti will want his own centre back in...he'll want to upgrade the spine.

 

[Stephenlloyd]

I don’t understand it at all, how can people actually say we should sell Keane or Mina ??? I literally don’t get it. People obsessed with age and selling On fees it’s bloody nonsense. Sell why there at there peak FFS ‍

The question is though. Are they the best we could get and the answer is no, but improving on what we’ve got is not easy as they are good players. And it would cost a lot of money.

But just excepting they are good enough, keeps us in 7th,8th, 12th and it’s the reason we haven’t won anything in years.

The job for Brands, ancelotti and Moshiri is to keep improving the team the best we can. Personally I don’t see Keane and Mina as
Our main CB pairing at the start of the 22/23 season.

 

[Lloydystark]

Ancelotti has said that having players who can plauy several positions is important for him. So I think with Holgate able to play LB/CB/RB/DM he's at worst a utility player.

People are forgetting his performances last season + his injury at the start of this season and that hes been in/out of the team. He has a contract to 2025.

Mina is our best centre back when on form. I dont think thats really disputed. However he's had injury set backs and does have the odd error in him. He also only has 2 years left on his contract.

Keane is at his peak value while only being able to perform in a deep defence. He has a contract until 2025.

For all the comments about "Keane and Mina being the best partnership" the problem is that we always have to sit very deep with them. This then means the midfield needs to also come deeper and our forwards are isolated.

I think we need to see Godfrey come into the 11 now at LCB. He's too good not to be a starter.


In terms of who to keep, then if we keep Godfrey, Branthwaite, Keane, Mina, Holgate then it would mean that were really committing to playing deep next season again -- which, with the right full backs and defensive midfielder would be fine. We could also loan branthwaite out for experience if we wanted.

I think if we have branthwaite in the squad and intend to play 4 at the back then 2 of Holgate, Mina and Keane should be sold. In my view, we cant keep playing deep every single game and especially not against the likes of Fulham and Burnley. Its madness.

If he goes on loan then just one player out with a new player in.

Im pretty confident that will be the case. I also dont see how this affects our need for other positions to be filled.

In addition i think Ancelotti will want his own centre back in...he'll want to upgrade the spine.

Keane is at his peak value? So does that mean we have to sell him? I want players playing for us when there at their peak or as you put it ‘peak value’. Clubs should sell/release players when their past it and enjoy there best days at the club. I don’t understand why you feel we should sell players for as much profit possible rather than having them play for the club when their at there best. I’m going to start calling you arsene wenger soon turning us into a selling club lol