Tosun will probably go for another loan to Turkey to see out the end of his contract.
We wanted 10m for Kenny, but the market has changed.
it should be a buyers market.
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We wanted 10m for Kenny, but the market has changed.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
At the risk of a shameless plug, I wrote a few articles last spring about this, and a bit on the last one I wrote.
What's happening in France is a major major problem. You are getting concurrent crisis for football, which is stems from the product not being worth as much in a world where streaming etc exists. It is an industry that has grown in terms of wages and fees about about 25-30 x what the inflation rate has been over the lats 25-30 years. It's a massive bubble now and an over valued product. There needs to be some re-balancing, and that is hard in any industry, but in an industry like football which has only known growth and fans demand the best it becomes almost impossible to think that way.
There's no transfer window in France for them to sell players, so hard to see where they go next? They will be selling players all over the shop come the summer.
There will be 2 key consequences for the PL for this. The first, when the next deal comes up (the end of the next season I believe) expect this to be downgraded. Potentially quite drastically. This will put enormous pressure on clubs. Broadcasters will be watching whats happening in France too, and taking notes. I don't know when the next CL/EL deal comes up too, but I'd expect this to decline sharply as well. As an aside, any idea clubs have of a Super League, with a broadcast deal far beyond what we currently have, is now completely misplaced.
The 2nd, is this will drive player costs down even further. You start getting 2 or 3 teams in Italy, 2 or 3 in Germany, most teams in France etc leaking players for a fraction of their "value"- it will drive costs further down everywhere. I suspet in the short-medium term you will a big difference between clubs who's owners are willing to put money in and those who aren't in terms of how they approach windows.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I suspect a lot will have hedged on getting some sort of TV deal. It's my understanding this is the 2nd they've lost. And the 2nd offer was well below what the 1st offer was. It's a horrendous situation, that as a buyer you would look at and say "offer 25% of what the last company did and work from there".
I do actually think this is partially why Liverpool didn't want a commitment on an obligation to buy Kabak in 6months and why we may have been reticient about Zirkzee. 6 months is a long time away in what we are going into.
To be fair to football, panic was avoided last summer. There was a managed decline (around 15% down in the PL) though I appreciate it's much higher in other leagues. We could quite easily see a collapse on prices come the summer though.
Thomasc
Formerly known as By God I'm Blue
I know they all have bad games, but he looked like he’d never kicked a ball before on Wednesday.
Doesn’t look to me like he really believes in himself.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
I actually think Turkey sort of exists outside of the bubble. We will probably get the same sort of deal we got this time. 50-60% of the wages paid with no loan fee. We won't be getting anymore.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
How we transition te squad is going to be an interesting question. In truth it's not a question we have really faced much, certainly in the last 5 years. Moyes did this very well, if a bit cautiously. Essentially what do you do with players who are perfectly good for you today, but may not be tomorrow.#
Holgate, Gomes, Iwobi probably fall into that category. When and how you do that becomes interesting.
While he gets some criticism, under the radar we actually had a very good transfer window this summer. 5 players who improve the 1st team is outstanding (and yes I am including Olsen in there). We await to see what King what does and see if he has potential to do that- and you then have 2 younger guys in Nkounkou and Brainthwaite who have the potential to improve the team.
I don't think every summer we will get 5 in, and there are cavaets that Allan/James are ticking time bombs that we have to protect closely and know they will be going down in terms of physical performance. I really like Allan, but the goal will need to be that he becomes more and more of a squad man over the next 18 months. However even if we sign say 3 players a season and 1 younger player is able to move up, it is going to start putting pressure on existing squad men.
It is a good "problem" to have but a bit of a problem never the less. You look at teams like Fulham, who a couple of times have transitioned too quickly and lost the spirit that got them up to begin with.
As for Iwobi, like Holgate his challenge is he needs to improve. He's of an age where there is still some possibility to do so. It's not guarenteed but there is a possibility. Both will need to go up a level. Gomes is more a case of consistency.
catcherintherye
Player Valuation: £80m
What makes you sense that mate? On both points.
Excellent that fella!
FFP while relaxed has not gone away and wages are still an issue
If Kean goes and we get 30-35 m for him I’d still expect a net spend of at most 50 m
CL changes things
Money coming in and a chance to cement a place in the top 4 for future seasons
If Liverpool do not get top 4 I’d say they are gone for a few seasons as players will ask to leave
Usmanov knows us getting CL will be a game changer and creative sponsorship will arrive
Hence asyou previously stated Moshiri going below a 10% stake in USM
Some of mine are over 21 so zat still has work to do
Not saying sell them all but if offers came in for any of them I’d sell and replace with better
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
Depends how much we are offered for them and how much to buy a replacement.
If we sell all the players you missed off that list we need to buy
First choice keeper
First Choice right Back plus back up right back/centre back
First choice centre mid plus 2 back up centre mids
First choice right sided attacker plus 2 back ups to cover centre and left attack
So that's 9 players in total, 4 of which need to be starters and 5 squad players, at least 3 of which will need to be of a higher quality than players like Siggy, Gomes, Holgate, iwobi and Coleman. Even then we'll be left with a squad of just 21, which is very light in numbers if we have European football to contend with too.
Inter Milan also looking for big money to stay afloat
Not saying sell them all but if decent offers came in for any of them I’d take it
They are guaranteed first team players and can be replaced
I’d say over the next two full seasons most of those will be gone
Lapeno77
Player Valuation: £35m
Unfortunately can't see us getting a penny for Tosun. They know now that we are desperate to be rid of him so they'll drag it out til the last minute and offer a loan deal with part of the wages paid. Tosun himself will turn down any approaches other than from Besiktas.
As for the other two, its a stretch, but again, other clubs will know we are desperate to offload to alleviate the wage bill so will drag it out thinking they'll get a better deal.
Barnfred 55
Player Valuation: £80m
That's 3 transfer windows so on that basis i wouldn't argue. I'd still like Gomes and Holgate to be here if they were good enough though.
Thought you were talking about a summer clear out.
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