ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[Nymzee]

Not writing them off at all. I never do. I’ve already said the De Bruyne and Aguero injuries could prove fatal. The maths are the maths though. If City were 4 behind having played a game more not many would be backing them though. Anything could happen though.

If we get Allan fit, the defence stays water tight, Richarlison starts scoring, and James lights up the league, maybe we’ll win it as the rest get distracted by europe. Spurs are still huge dangers given Mourinho’s experience, and United have firepower everywhere. It’s how it’s supposed to be really, anyone from the top 7 could win it.

You have to remember there’s a strong chance the other big sides will be ahead and absolutely flap.

 

[Saint Domingo]

I think FSG are in it for the long haul. The valuation they want will not be met in the good times, never mind in difficult times of the next 4-5 years. Likely they may sell a bit of liquidity to the RB chain if they sell to anyone.

I'd imagine they can borrow against the value of Liverpool, and it's a great cash cow if all else fails.

Klopp will go first. The question is how much damage does he do on the way out.

Their accounts come out in a few weeks. I think we will see massive indications that these ideas of buying Mbappe are absolutely miles out. The fact they couldn’t buy Jamal Lewis in the summer (who Newcastle could afford) passed up on Werner, and sold Brewster Lovren Hoever to finance Thiago and Jota (apparently his transfer is on a bizarre payment plan as well, effectively 40 mill plus Hoever so way above his market value but the payments are all deferred as they couldn’t afford them) all shows that they are not flush with cash. If they were they’d have bought a centreback in even on loan, it’s a no brainier. They wouldn’t have been trying to furlough their staff either. That all screams of an organisation with cash flow problems. They probably budgeted for going further in the CL last year also.

FSG are venture capitalists. They invest in assets that will rise to make them money. As soon as an asset plateaus they’re not going to keep it. They got Liverpool on the cheap, pumped money into it to deliver success, and just as they were probably looking to sell it when it’s value was at its highest, Corona has absolutely screwed it for them. They have committed costs tied up in paying for the stadium, transfers, and mega wages whilst seeing their income absolutely slashed.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all to now see them try to clean the decks a bit. Get a big fee for some players (wouldn’t shock me to see them court PSG for Allison), get some high earners off the books, and task Klopp with a few seasons of getting top 4 with a sell to buy policy and using academy kids. Then look for a sale in a few seasons. Klopp won’t want that though. I think he threw his toys out the pram in the early season to get Thiago and Jota as both deals looked very unlike FSG, but I think he thought he could get another title or CL then he’d be off.

If he fails to get them in the top 4 the ramifications for them could be massive because unlike an Abramovich, Mansour, Moshiri, they don’t have owners who can just swallow those losses and keep funding transfer spending because of personal interest in the project. FSG will look at a cold hard investment v expected output spreadsheet and if the investment isn’t worth it they won’t be doing it and they’ll take their money to whatever asset is growing at the time.

 

[This is my name]

yes mate it’s him . one little gimp who puts on his blag accent so all the out of town RS think he’s great. Mum mum hendo scored what a knobead

I dno how its possible but I both love and despise that clip. Listening to his blag accent makes me rage and cringe but his cry arsing at the end just completely reverses that feeling, its a true work or art captured in the everyday

On a side note I dont get how people record themselves, watching the footy. Its a more cringe version of gogglebox

 

[Tin-Tin]

Think they got Thiago and Jota on Brighthouse terms of about £5-6mill upfront.

Fans were all lauding Edwards business dealings, only realising now its because they are skint. Also forgetting that they owe another payment for both this summer which will come out of whatever tiny budget they have, if any unless they can flog one of their big players.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Their accounts come out in a few weeks. I think we will see massive indications that these ideas of buying Mbappe are absolutely miles out. The fact they couldn’t buy Jamal Lewis in the summer (who Newcastle could afford) passed up on Werner, and sold Brewster Lovren Hoever to finance Thiago and Jota (apparently his transfer is on a bizarre payment plan as well, effectively 40 mill plus Hoever so way above his market value but the payments are all deferred as they couldn’t afford them) all shows that they are not flush with cash. If they were they’d have bought a centreback in even on loan, it’s a no brainier. They wouldn’t have been trying to furlough their staff either. That all screams of an organisation with cash flow problems. They probably budgeted for going further in the CL last year also.

FSG are venture capitalists. They invest in assets that will rise to make them money. As soon as an asset plateaus they’re not going to keep it. They got Liverpool on the cheap, pumped money into it to deliver success, and just as they were probably looking to sell it when it’s value was at its highest, Corona has absolutely screwed it for them. They have committed costs tied up in paying for the stadium, transfers, and mega wages whilst seeing their income absolutely slashed.

It wouldn’t surprise me at all to now see them try to clean the decks a bit. Get a big fee for some players (wouldn’t shock me to see them court PSG for Allison), get some high earners off the books, and task Klopp with a few seasons of getting top 4 with a sell to buy policy and using academy kids. Then look for a sale in a few seasons. Klopp won’t want that though. I think he threw his toys out the pram in the early season to get Thiago and Jota as both deals looked very unlike FSG, but I think he thought he could get another title or CL then he’d be off.

If he fails to get them in the top 4 the ramifications for them could be massive because unlike an Abramovich, Mansour, Moshiri, they don’t have owners who can just swallow those losses and keep funding transfer spending because of personal interest in the project. FSG will look at a cold hard investment v expected output spreadsheet and if the investment isn’t worth it they won’t be doing it and they’ll take their money to whatever asset is growing at the time.

Mbappe wants to sign an extension with PSG, also think Jota was brought in as a Firmino replacement who i think will go at the end of the season as he just does'nt contribute enough, although due to the injury thing it has'nt quite worked out so far.

 

[Tin-Tin]

Also, players whose contracts expire in 2023. Do they give them new bumper contracts this summer or let them run it down and possibly leave on the cheap/free.

Henderson
Shaquiri
Oxlaide Chamberlain
Salah
Mane
Firmino
Fabinho
Keita
Van Dijk

 

[Tin-Tin]

Mbappe wants to sign an extension with PSG, also think Jota was brought in as a Firmino replacement who i think will go at the end of the season as he just does'nt contribute enough, although due to the injury thing it has'nt quite worked out so far.

Nobody will pay big money for him now with his drop off, looks goosed and his drop off has been massive.

 

[Toast]

Nobody will pay big money for him now with his drop off, looks like a ladyboy who’s been goosed big style and his drop off has been massive.

Fixed that for you..

 

[Simon Buttle]

Nobody will pay big money for him now with his drop off, looks goosed and his drop off has been massive.

Oh i agree that it won't be big money but I think 1 of the front 3 will go and i reckon it will be him as the other 2 will just be too expensive in the current climate.

 

[4737carlin]

Also, players whose contracts expire in 2023. Do they give them new bumper contracts this summer or let them run it down and possibly leave on the cheap/free.

Henderson
Shaquiri
Oxlaide Chamberlain
Salah
Mane
Firmino
Fabinho
Keita
Van Dijk

OMG they are deep in the do do's, can see Pickford trending again soon

 

[Simon Buttle]

OMG they are deep in the do do's, can see Pickford trending again soon

Klopp will be long gone before then imo. It will be interesting to see what happens with Germany at the Euros as it's been mentioned a few times that the German FA would like him in charge at some point.

 

[Kurt.]

 

[Tin-Tin]

Klopp will be long gone before then imo. It will be interesting to see what happens with Germany at the Euros as it's been mentioned a few times that the German FA would like him in charge at some point.

Said it earlier in the thread, Cristian Falk is very reliable and knowledgable when it comes to German football and maybe he knew something when he said this. Stuff thats just coming out now. They look to be in big trouble with no investment and key players being sold or leaving. He will be getting out before it goes pear shaped.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Also, players whose contracts expire in 2023. Do they give them new bumper contracts this summer or let them run it down and possibly leave on the cheap/free.

Henderson
Shaquiri
Oxlaide Chamberlain
Salah
Mane
Firmino
Fabinho
Keita
Van Dijk

Their contract management has been very foolish recently. Emre Can walked out for nothing, so will Wijnaldum by the looks of it, Milner will probably retire. That’s about 60 mill of assets they’ll get nothing for.

 

[mmmmsnouts]

Klopp trying to leg it before everything blows up