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Zatara said:
Top 4 is basically everything bar actually having a trophy.

The players will stay + come...money will flow and advertising revenue will increase.

The cup basically is something you want to win to grow a winning mentality -- i think these days top 4 gives you that as well.

The players we could sign with Ancelotti at the helm would take us to a new dimension.


Id take top 4.




With Ancelotti building the side then we would be a threat to alot of sides in european competition.

It could really set us up for many years and be a catalyst for success.
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Not sure that's true. Spurs don't strike me as a team with a winning mentality given the amount of leads they let slip. But on the other hand Arsenal win the odd FA Cup here and there but look as mentally flaky as any team in the league.

Even teams that win leagues and European pots very often get partly dismantled and rebuilt as some players are seen as being hard to motivate once they have those successes under their belt.

I think some people handle pressure well and some people don't get complacent whatever they're doing. Get enough people in with those characteristics and things tend to improve. I'm not sure there's a way to grow a winning mentality.

Even perennial losers Wigan won a pot - games without pressure and they looked a different side to the ones struggling against relegation.
 

Didn't we finish 4th in 2005? Don't know what happened that year parts of it is a blurr. A cup the FA Cup any owl tin cup is better than nothing the club has forgot what it's like to be winners and it's trickled down to the fans to be satisfied with a place in Europe. Which funny, winning the FA Cup............
 

ClausThomsen said:
Not sure that's true. Spurs don't strike me as a team with a winning mentality given the amount of leads they let slip. But on the other hand Arsenal win the odd FA Cup here and there but look as mentally flaky as any team in the league.

Even teams that win leagues and European pots very often get partly dismantled and rebuilt as some players are seen as being hard to motivate once they have those successes under their belt.

I think some people handle pressure well and some people don't get complacent whatever they're doing. Get enough people in with those characteristics and things tend to improve. I'm not sure there's a way to grow a winning mentality.

Even perennial losers Wigan won a pot - games without pressure and they looked a different side to the ones struggling against relegation.
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Its an interesting one, i know mourinho always targets a cup win at a new club to change the mentality. Seville for example were very strong in the Uefa cup winning 3 in a row (i think) which gave them impetus.

I think overall though, top 4 is where everyone aspires to be...then 1st and champions league winners.


maccavennie said:
Why don't we go for top 4 AND win the FA Cup?
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Shades of Tom Cruise...


Davideeyore said:
Didn't we finish 4th in 2005? Don't know what happened that year parts of it is a blurr. A cup the FA Cup any owl tin cup is better than nothing the club has forgot what it's like to be winners and it's trickled down to the fans to be satisfied with a place in Europe. Which funny, winning the FA Cup............
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Think that was the year we ended up 4th with a negative goal difference lol
 
PSB1 said:
There was a time when the F A Cup had its mystique ... if you got to the final, people from Lancashire, Yorkshire and the midlands could make their once a decade visit to London, if nothing else.

Times have changed and the imperative for clubs with ambition is to be in and around the top 4. Without that, it's unlikely you'll keep your best players. We've left the era of flat caps, whippets and people standing to attention for the National Anthem in cinemas. The F A Cup would be lovely to have but ultimately won't progress us, IMO.
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But it's not about progressing us, it's about being successful, about honor and pride, about becoming a big club again.
Neither 4th or the cup will progress us, one dosent automatically lead to the other, many clubs have landed a top 4 spot and not progressed and several cup winners have been relegated not long after.
The stadium is the focus for real progression IMO and even that isnt a guarantee, plenty of clubs in the lower leagues got new grounds, in fact even Arsenal didnt progress too much, they might even have gone backwards.
 
4737carlin said:
But it's not about progressing us, it's about being successful, about honor and pride, about becoming a big club again.
Neither 4th or the cup will progress us, one dosent automatically lead to the other, many clubs have landed a top 4 spot and not progressed and several cup winners have been relegated not long after.
The stadium is the focus for real progression IMO and even that isnt a guarantee, plenty of clubs in the lower leagues got new grounds, in fact even Arsenal didnt progress too much, they might even have gone backwards.
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With 4th though, teams usually keep their top players for at least another season...also with the funds from champions league it 'should' allow us to invest in better players.

Depending on how we use those funds and progress on (and off) the pitch it can be a springboard :)
 

We need CL either this year or next, we might be lucky this year if we don’t get it as no other team probably has the money for Richy, but should we fail next year as well Richy and Dom will likely be off
 
Winning the FA cup with no fans would be a bit meh. I'd much rather qualify for the Champions League and then play those games in front of fans. Personally I don't think we can make it this season and Europa League would be a good achievement with this squad but you never know.
 
CL would be amazing

Of the 6 teams who've never been relegated from the Premier League, 5 have made the CL final

We've never even played in the group stage, so getting CL would be am major monkey of our back
 

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