ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[catcherintherye]

der FA, it’s a conspiracee

There is a conspiracy that Southgate is lying by saying he was standing on his own.

The big point they are missing, is that to do a big injury, with nobody around you is a massive massive problem. They are often the worst injuries. Think Bolasie, an innocous incident but really serious (and he was never the same player, even 4 years later). It also shows to me, as I have said before, he's really injury prone, and Klopp not rotating his squad has been the cause of this. He's not able to play 40+ games a season and Klopp has forced him to do it. He's broken down.

 

[number4.]

He didn't do his ACL before mate, did one of his other ligaments and missed 8-9 months. If it's the same knee it's big trouble.

Apologies - Knew it was knee ligaments, thought it was ACL.

 

[number4.]

There is a conspiracy that Southgate is lying by saying he was standing on his own.

The big point they are missing, is that to do a big injury, with nobody around you is a massive massive problem. They are often the worst injuries. Think Bolasie, an innocous incident but really serious (and he was never the same player, even 4 years later). It also shows to me, as I have said before, he's really injury prone, and Klopp not rotating his squad has been the cause of this. He's not able to play 40+ games a season and Klopp has forced him to do it. He's broken down.

I always think of steve stone right on the sideline - never recovered

 

[Toast]

With international football, less is more. If we really want it to be the pinnacle of football again then we need far fewer matches so it feels like a big deal. There is no need for matches other than qualifiers, playoffs, tournaments and warm ups for tournaments.

If it doesn’t have its own Panini sticker book, it’s a jarg international tournament / game that doesn’t really need playing.

 

[davek]

It's quite simple: their bodies are breaking down under the duress of successive doping campaigns, because their manager can only get the level of energy he desires by doping his players and replicating training with matchday intensity. He did it at Dortmund.

I'll just leave these quotes from Klopp from 7 years ago here and make no comment....


'Borussia Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp has voiced sympathy for disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, saying: "There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

Armstrong, who won the Tour de France more times than any other rider, confessed that his seven victories between 1999 and 2005 had been achieved with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions.

The American has been widely condemned, but Klopp spoke in his defence, telling Sport Bild: "I have sympathy for Lance Armstrong, even if that is not the order of the day. I don't believe you are born a cheat. Many have cheated in sport - some more, some less.

"But we, who want to see the cyclist flying up to Alpe D'Huez, are to blame for it. We have condoned that there is something odd there.

"He has to be punished - but with fair measures. If he commits suicide later, we must all ask ourselves: 'What have we done?' There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

The interview has generated an interested reaction in Germany, with Bildwriting the coach had made "surprising statements" and other commentators saying he had "his own perspective".'

 

[catcherintherye]

Apologies - Knew it was knee ligaments, thought it was ACL.

I think it was a PCL. Either way though, 8-9 months when you are in the prime as a teenager, it will be longer now he is a bit older and had a range of other issues. If he's done his ACL, he is probably in a worse position than even Van Dijk.

Even if Van Dijk can't run and turn, he is still quite big and good at passing. He can probably just about make it back as a solid PL level defender, a squad option. Gomez is terrible at all aspects apart from speed.

 

[catcherintherye]

It's quite simple: their bodies are breaking down under the duress of successive doping campaigns because their manager can only get that level of energy by doping his players and replicating training with matchday intensity. He did it at Dortmund.

I'll just leave these quotes from Klopp from 7 years ago here and make no comment....


'Borussia Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp has voiced sympathy for disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, saying: "There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

Armstrong, who won the Tour de France more times than any other rider, confessed that his seven victories between 1999 and 2005 had been achieved with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions.

The American has been widely condemned, but Klopp spoke in his defence, telling Sport Bild: "I have sympathy for Lance Armstrong, even if that is not the order of the day. I don't believe you are born a cheat. Many have cheated in sport - some more, some less.

"But we, who want to see the cyclist flying up to Alpe D'Huez, are to blame for it. We have condoned that there is something odd there.

"He has to be punished - but with fair measures. If he commits suicide later, we must all ask ourselves: 'What have we done?' There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

The interview has generated an interested reaction in Germany, with Bildwriting the coach had made "surprising statements" and other commentators saying he had "his own perspective".'

I don't suscribe to the doping stuff at all, but they are odd quotes defending Armstrong.

Either way, his team collapsed at Dortmund, and you are beginning to see similar here. It's no surprise. I do wonder if he will start to engineer a departure by increasingly picking fights with the FA/PL.

 

[catcherintherye]

I always think of steve stone right on the sideline - never recovered

There are loads mate. Parkinson with us. Even for them Oxlade Chamberlain, who was also very injury prone. They paid Arsenal about 45 million for him and gave him amassive salary (as he only had 1 year left). I've just looked, he's scored 7 goals for them in the league and looks finished as a footballer to me.

I mean we all slag Sigurdsson off, but for the same money, in a single season he got twice as many goals as Chamberlain has got in 4 years.

 

[davek]

I don't suscribe to the doping stuff at all, but they are odd quotes defending Armstrong.

Either way, his team collapsed at Dortmund, and you are beginning to see similar here. It's no surprise. I do wonder if he will start to engineer a departure by increasingly picking fights with the FA/PL.

They'll defend themselves the way Linford Christie was defended and let off for years of doping: 'ginseng tea' for Christie; 'caffeine laced apple juice' for Liverpool.

 

[MikeH72]

It's quite simple: their bodies are breaking down under the duress of successive doping campaigns, because their manager can only get the level of energy he desires by doping his players and replicating training with matchday intensity. He did it at Dortmund.

I'll just leave these quotes from Klopp from 7 years ago here and make no comment....


'Borussia Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp has voiced sympathy for disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, saying: "There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

Armstrong, who won the Tour de France more times than any other rider, confessed that his seven victories between 1999 and 2005 had been achieved with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions.

The American has been widely condemned, but Klopp spoke in his defence, telling Sport Bild: "I have sympathy for Lance Armstrong, even if that is not the order of the day. I don't believe you are born a cheat. Many have cheated in sport - some more, some less.

"But we, who want to see the cyclist flying up to Alpe D'Huez, are to blame for it. We have condoned that there is something odd there.

"He has to be punished - but with fair measures. If he commits suicide later, we must all ask ourselves: 'What have we done?' There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

The interview has generated an interested reaction in Germany, with Bildwriting the coach had made "surprising statements" and other commentators saying he had "his own perspective".'

No way. Is that real??

 

[catcherintherye]

They'll defend themselves the way Linford Christie was defended and let off for years of doping: 'ginseng tea' for Christie; 'caffeine laced apple juice' for Liverpool.

I just don't see it myself, but who knows.

Either way, things look to be going very wrong for them at the moment. It imploded late on with Dortmund, and I think it will go that way with Liverpool. Matip will be injured again soon.

 

[number4.]

They'll defend themselves the way Linford Christie was defended and let off for years of doping: 'ginseng tea' for Christie; 'caffeine laced apple juice' for Liverpool.

time might well prove you right Dave, but at the moment this is utterly baseless. What does appear to be happening is the team is breaking under his management in a similar fashion to his last season at dortmund. History usual repeats itself.

They could well be doped to this hilt; but I think it is more likely he is missmanaged them and ran them into the ground & it's caught up now.

 

[catcherintherye]

time might well prove you right Dave, but at the moment this is utterly baseless. What does appear to be happening is the team is breaking under his management in a similar fashion to his last season at dortmund. History usual repeats itself.

They could well be doped to this hilt; but I think it is more likely he is missmanaged them and ran them into the ground & it's caught up now.

I am with you mate, I don't buy the doping stuff. Why did it take him 4-5 years to win something? Why did it all go to hell at Dortmund if they were etc?

Something has changed though. My own feeling is they are starting to fall off a cliff, at a simiar point, and that then puts more strain on others.

I watched a documentary series on Dortmund recently, and Hummells basically said Klopp expected unbelievable amounts from them, and the problem was,sometimes people couldn't give it, and in the end they ended up broken.

These players who are injured too,willreally struggle to come back in at the level they were at before. Thats also the point with Klopp and his teams. Once players get injured they rarely come back to that same level. You look at their big players, Arnold, VVD, Robertson, Salah, Mane etc most of the time they have remained fit.

Then you look at say, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Matip, Lovren, Moreno, Sturridge,Origi, Shaqiri, Brewster etc. Once they were injured once, they never really had the same impact again. Outside of Henderson, very hard to think of any who have.

I think the standard he expects, once you are bursing an injury makes it very hard to be able to return to that intensity.

 

[Blue Shoes]

It's quite simple: their bodies are breaking down under the duress of successive doping campaigns, because their manager can only get the level of energy he desires by doping his players and replicating training with matchday intensity. He did it at Dortmund.

I'll just leave these quotes from Klopp from 7 years ago here and make no comment....


'Borussia Dortmund manager Jurgen Klopp has voiced sympathy for disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, saying: "There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

Armstrong, who won the Tour de France more times than any other rider, confessed that his seven victories between 1999 and 2005 had been achieved with the aid of performance-enhancing drugs and blood transfusions.

The American has been widely condemned, but Klopp spoke in his defence, telling Sport Bild: "I have sympathy for Lance Armstrong, even if that is not the order of the day. I don't believe you are born a cheat. Many have cheated in sport - some more, some less.

"But we, who want to see the cyclist flying up to Alpe D'Huez, are to blame for it. We have condoned that there is something odd there.

"He has to be punished - but with fair measures. If he commits suicide later, we must all ask ourselves: 'What have we done?' There are worse crimes than what Armstrong has done."

The interview has generated an interested reaction in Germany, with Bildwriting the coach had made "surprising statements" and other commentators saying he had "his own perspective".'

Did he actually say that or have you pasted his name into someone else's statement?

 

[Blue Shoes]

I am with you mate, I don't buy the doping stuff. Why did it take him 4-5 years to win something? Why did it all go to hell at Dortmund if they were etc?

Something has changed though. My own feeling is they are starting to fall off a cliff, at a simiar point, and that then puts more strain on others.

I watched a documentary series on Dortmund recently, and Hummells basically said Klopp expected unbelievable amounts from them, and the problem was,sometimes people couldn't give it, and in the end they ended up broken.

These players who are injured too,willreally struggle to come back in at the level they were at before. Thats also the point with Klopp and his teams. Once players get injured they rarely come back to that same level. You look at their big players, Arnold, VVD, Robertson, Salah, Mane etc most of the time they have remained fit.

Then you look at say, Lallana, Wijnaldum, Matip, Lovren, Moreno, Sturridge,Origi, Shaqiri, Brewster etc. Once they were injured once, they never really had the same impact again. Outside of Henderson, very hard to think of any who have.

I think the standard he expects, once you are bursing an injury makes it very hard to be able to return to that intensity.

Mate, salah came back after a really serious shoulder injury and was fine. He was crying and left a final so it must have been nearly career ending