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The Hateful Eight

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The binman chronicles said:
It has to be crystal clear in the regulations, no club can have a net debt of x amount by a certain date or the TV payment will be withheld until it is reduced to the level deemed that the club won't go bust if a owner tries to overspend to get promotions/win trophies.
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then a ground get sold and leased back to clear balance sheet and you have coventry. I agree with your principle, but just playing devil's advocate. For every billionaire there will be someone who wants to profiteer and history shows that clubs will be run into the ground and out of existence
 

TheBigIguana said:
The idea that teams getting large cash injections from new ownership is more unfair than someone like United just having tons of cash is ludicrous. You either want spending controls for everyone and an actually level playing field or you don't. But the current FFP that City beat is clearly designed to allow the current rich clubs to always be the ones at the top and all the teams acting like City beating this is bad for the game are being disingenuous as they're bad for the game themselves.
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I'm not disagreeing with what you've written cos I can see both sides of the argument.
The reason for my original post was because the O.P. wrote how great it is that Everton were not one of the "8 hateful clubs" to sign the letter. Surely he must know that the only reason they didn't do so is because they didn't wanna sign it for their own benefit and not because they didn't wanna be one of the "Nasty Nine."
 
H.H. said:
I'm not disagreeing with what you've written cos I can see both sides of the argument.
The reason for my original post was because the O.P. wrote how great it is that Everton were not one of the "8 hateful clubs" to sign the letter. Surely he must know that the only reason they didn't do so is because they didn't wanna sign it for their own benefit and not because they didn't wanna be one of the "Nasty Nine."
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And that's fine. But I think anyone looking at it honestly can see how FFP really is making upward mobility impossible when combined with what is an already hierarchical structure within the game. I just don't think you can be Jurgen Klopp or Jose Mourinho and manage clubs with tons of money and have histories of spending tons of money and sit there and say how this is ruining things. It's an all or nothing thing to me. There is no "right way" to spend hundreds of millions more than what most clubs can afford.
 
number4. said:
then a ground get sold and leased back to clear balance sheet and you have coventry. I agree with your principle, but just playing devil's advocate. For every billionaire there will be someone who wants to profiteer and history shows that clubs will be run into the ground and out of existence
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I know that anything is open to abuse but it should also be fairly easy to see where the money is coming in from, nothing should be held in the clubs name so it would be the owner that takes on that debt if he sold up so they would need to be responsible.

The selling of grounds/training grounds is a little bit sticky, within reason that isn't a bad thing, like we had to do at one point, so I don't think it should be necessarily ruled out. If we look at how it might play, the new owner buys club for x amount, if they sell the ground and the money they ploughed in to the team does not get them increased revenues through winning something/qualifying for europe then they have basically took over something and made it worth less. A new owner could come and buy the club on the cheap and use their own money to help boost the playing staff, so the owners have to be prudent.

We need to see more custodians of clubs (be it fan ownership or wealthy backers) rather than business men that buy using debt secured against the club and don't care what happens next.
 
SantaClausisanEvertonian said:
How refreshing to see that we aren't one of 'the hateful eight' referred to in the media, who ganged up to stick the boot in on Citeh.
These are the clubs who wrote to CAS in March to demand that Citeh be excluded immediately from European football.
Rs (obviously), red mancs (obviously), Arsenal, Spurs, Leicester, Wolves, Burnley (???) and the barcodes.
Good to see our lovely people wanted to hear all the facts before sticking the boot in don't you think?
(I bet Pep was crapping himself when he realised Burnley had sent a letter in!)
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Think it’s more to do with the fact we’re doing precisely the same thing! Literally the same thing!
 

barneygumble said:
Think it’s more to do with the fact we’re doing precisely the same thing! Literally the same thing!
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I suppose it's all a matter of opinion but I'm of the opinion that we chose not to get involved because it's not the Everton way.
For all our problems on the pitch, we are essentially a fair-minded (some might say TOO fair-minded!) and considerate club off the pitch in so many ways.
I'm proud of the fact that we aren't involved in this 'mud slinging' and I'm chuckling at the usual suspects kicking up a fuss.
 

H.H. said:
Hateful Eight lol
It has nothing to do with the fact that Everton are also hoping to splash large amounts of cash which current rules wouldn't allow.
If "Uncle Ussi" wasn't about Everton would also have been one of the teams, especially as there is also the chance they and most other teams could fall even further behind if the Newcastle takeover were to happen?
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Honestly mate, even if we were skint, I'd still see the hypocritical and pathetic crying from United and Liverpool fans for what it was.
 

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