ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3

[MikeB1980]

They wont win the FA cup. They wont whilst Klopp is there, simply cos he has no interest in it. If he doesn't want to win it, then fine, if he doesn't want to attend matches, then fine.

But under no circumstances should the FA keep making changes to the competition to satisfy clubs like Liverpool who are demanding lighter schedules but will jet all over the world for a money spinning friendly. The cup being changed will kill lower league teams. That blert Klopp needs to be put in his place by the media over this.

I agree with this generally, but unfortunately it’s not limited to just the biggest teams. Money has changed the fa cup. It’s still an essential lifeline for so many smaller teams but nearly every prem team field weakened teams because going out isn’t important to them vs challenging for the title, for top 4, for top 6, to avoid relegation.

teams fighting for promotion from the championship don’t want the distraction and extra games either when going up is worth so much money.

lineker tweeted yesterday that he’d scrap the league cup to give the fa cup more value, and I think I’d agree.

the genie is never going back in the bottle on this.

 

[havrey0123]

I agree with this generally, but unfortunately it’s not limited to just the biggest teams. Money has changed the fa cup. It’s still an essential lifeline for so many smaller teams but nearly every prem team field weakened teams because going out isn’t important to them vs challenging for the title, for top 4, for top 6, to avoid relegation.

teams fighting for promotion from the championship don’t want the distraction and extra games either when going up is worth so much money.

lineker tweeted yesterday that he’d scrap the league cup to give the fa cup more value, and I think I’d agree.

the genie is never going back in the bottle on this.

You can't just have the fa cup to play for, league cup to be played over 2 years.
Have more televised games spread over 2 days so the sponsors don't lose out.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

You can't just have the fa cup to play for, league cup to be played over 2 years.
Have more televised games spread over 2 days so the sponsors don't lose out.

Or just let big clubs suck it up and use their massive squads and resources accepting that maybe there is a downside to their focussing on other goals and that football isn't run for their benefit?

 

[Lord Buckethead]

Or just let big clubs suck it up and use their massive squads and resources accepting that maybe there is a downside to their focussing on other goals and that football isn't run for their benefit?

Or just say that Premier clubs (or even just those in Europe) should only play their U23 teams with 2 maybe 3 over age players.
Wasn't that long ago the Clubs were complaining about the lack of properly competitive games at upper youth level.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Or just say that Premier clubs (or even just those in Europe) should only play their U23 teams with 2 maybe 3 over age players.
Wasn't that long ago the Clubs were complaining about the lack of properly competitive games at upper youth level.

I don't think you should be dictating to clubs who they can and can't pick. But my rule would be if a side would get you hauled up for fielding a weakened side in the league, then it should in the cup too.

 

[havrey0123]

I don't think you should be dictating to clubs who they can and can't pick. But my rule would be if a side would get you hauled up for fielding a weakened side in the league, then it should in the cup too.

What if the weakend side wins, they can then justify it

 

[Lord Buckethead]

I don't think you should be dictating to clubs who they can and can't pick. But my rule would be if a side would get you hauled up for fielding a weakened side in the league, then it should in the cup too.

define a weakened side though?
Would you call that kopite team that just beat us a weakened side? they were certainly strong enough to beat us and ensure the 'integrity of the competition'

the League Cup being U23s for Premier teams would give teams further down more of a chance of winning. would actually improve the competition, and it would be easy to police.

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

define a weakened side though?
Would you call that kopite team that just beat us a weakened side? they were certainly strong enough to beat us and ensure the 'integrity of the competition'

the League Cup being U23s for Premier teams would give teams further down more of a chance of winning. would actually improve the competition, and it would be easy to police.

I would have called it a weakened side. I think the PL has a rule on this... I checked and the rule basically says you can use your registered players in any combination.

Let's say you had to have a minimum of 6 of your registered league squad in the matchday squad with eligibility rules applying after that for U21s and foreign youngsters.

 

[Dan Tanner]

But wasn't the argument being presented by @Walken who argued that by allowing Liverpool to disrespect the competition by putting out kids teams and not even have your manager show up the world's premier club knockout trophy continues to be devalued to a point where "big clubs" can't even be bothered anymore.

45% of the gate at a sold out Anfield will probably pay Shrewsbury's wage bill for the year (assuming the day trippers still go to watch the kids and no Jurgen Klopp), but this isn't about them...

And if Klipp had his way those lucrative replays would be scrapped, if it was extra time and penalties or even just penalties his South-American-Tea-Takers would have the fitness advantage over all the lower league sides, and most Premier League teams as well. They'd more than likely smash teams in penalties as they look like they've been hypnotised or Voodoo ed up, especially with Klopp dancing around with his teeth like a witchdoctors necklace.
The media, Premier League, UEFA and FA already hang on his every word like giddy schoolgirls at an Osmond's concert, and with their tongues so far up his rectum they can't wait to please the golden child and indulge him all his desires, and he knows it. Just imagine if he turned on any one of those organisations the backlash that would ensue from the cult would be bad, but for the FA which is the weakest of them, it could be horrific.
The bean counters and old blazer boys from the Football Association will have been sitting around a table in St George's Park wringing their hands thinking of how to placate young Adolf. No doubt they'll end up giving him just what he wants to keep that carnivorous cash cow onside and let themselves seem to be relevant and understanding of the trials and tribulations of der-mighty-red-men in this enlightened era. Perhaps the FA chairman Greg Clarke could proudly announce it at a press conference, holding up the new legislation to sooth the savages and maybe even proclaim peace in our time..... what could possibly go wrong with that

 

[Disgruntledgoat]

Lovely stuff

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[WA Toffee]

But Shrewsbury town have a replay I don't understand how they will receive less money.
Surely playing their reserve side gives them a great chance of going through to the next round.
Shrewsbury drew 2-2 on TV have a replay on TV, and have a great chance of going through as there won't be any first team players

I think it's more about the long term effects rather than this specific tie. We are moving towards the top teams not entering the cup at all as they have other money spinning tournaments to play. Shrewsbury will earn a massive percentage of their annual turnover from this tie. If the rs, man utd, arsenal, even Everton etc end up not even entering the fa cup, or play a reserve team (which means less fans will turn up), teams like Shrewsbury are losing the opportunity for that massive payday. And without the top teams, it loses prestige which means less sponsorship which means less prize money, less tv money etc.

It's what the g12 have been working towards since the 90s and they are now very close to achieving it.

 

[MikeB1980]

Or just let big clubs suck it up and use their massive squads and resources accepting that maybe there is a downside to their focussing on other goals and that football isn't run for their benefit?

But aside from the bleating from the likes of Klopp and Pep, etc. Isn’t that already the way it is?

clubs are choosing to put out weakened teams or not, and some people are complaining when they do for disrespecting or devaluing the competition.

I think the league cup is rubbish, myself. No clubs seem arsed about it until the semi stage, and I don’t know about you but I never watch the final.

scrap it. Or make it not obligatory, so teams can enter if they want, or skip it if they don’t.

by default there’ll be fewer games for the teams that are doing the whinging, there’ll be little change to the quality as the prem teams generally play second string teams anyway, and if a team really fancies trying to win it, they’ve got a better chance.

then if a big team hasn’t entered, they got fewer games to complain about and should be able to put more into the FA Cup. If they still want to use it to rotate, so be it, but they’ll have to answer to their fans and sponsors who already have fewer competitive matches and chances of silver wear.

 

[bigjonny]

What’s annoying me is why did Klopp “ announce” he wouldn’t be there etc. ?, he could have just gone on his holidays and let the staff get on with it. It’s look at us everyone, as usual.

 

[Toast]

If our own players weren't a bunch of bottlers this wouldn't even be a discussion.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

If our own players weren't a bunch of bottlers this wouldn't even be a discussion.

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