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ECHO Comment: "Fears of Witch-hunt Against Liverpool FC" part 3


Just got to hope it ends up like the Glazers. Piling on debt with high payments whilst taking out high dividends to lash on his baseball team.
 
From my perspective there's only one answer to how you play against them.

They close down and harass each player on the ball much more than peps Barca team, then when they get the ball back the players know exactly where to launch a first time ball to one of their rapid players, robinson and Arnold are both good players but the tactics make them look like world beaters. Quick crosses to the 6 yard box, they will be practicing that in training ever day, hence why they're so effective

The answer is to play like them, the Chelsea game under Dunc would have been a good example, don't give them a second on the ball.

I'm worried now that under Ancelotti, we will be like Spurs with Mourinho, the game has changed now and teams trying to play passing (boring) possession football will be punished. Rodgers with Leicester and Wilder with Sheffield have the right idea.
 
GwladysPhil said:
From my perspective there's only one answer to how you play against them.

They close down and harass each player on the ball much more than peps Barca team, then when they get the ball back the players know exactly where to launch a first time ball to one of their rapid players, robinson and Arnold are both good players but the tactics make them look like world beaters. Quick crosses to the 6 yard box, they will be practicing that in training ever day, hence why they're so effective

The answer is to play like them, the Chelsea game under Dunc would have been a good example, don't give them a second on the ball.

I'm worried now that under Ancelotti, we will be like Spurs with Mourinho, the game has changed now and teams trying to play passing (boring) possession football will be punished. Rodgers with Leicester and Wilder with Sheffield have the right idea.
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There’s not one way to play - against them or anyone else. Carlo’s Napoli have beaten them, and held them to a draw in 3 of the 4 meetings over the last two years without “playing like them”.

The problem is we don’t have the players to pass out from the back. We try it and then it gets as far as the half way line and players crap themselves and go back. Each players first touch gets worse than the last meaning the pass is rushed and eventually we either concede the ball, or go back to Pickford who boots it.

It’s not the system and the approach, it’s the system and approach with these players.

Get a centre back that can play and we’re better. Get a midfielder that wants the ball and we’re better.

Get better players and any system can work.
 

MikeB1980 said:
There’s not one way to play - against them or anyone else. Carlo’s Napoli have beaten them, and held them to a draw in 3 of the 4 meetings over the last two years without “playing like them”.

The problem is we don’t have the players to pass out from the back. We try it and then it gets as far as the half way line and players crap themselves and go back. Each players first touch gets worse than the last meaning the pass is rushed and eventually we either concede the ball, or go back to Pickford who boots it.

It’s not the system and the approach, it’s the system and approach with these players.

Get a centre back that can play and we’re better. Get a midfielder that wants the ball and we’re better.

Get better players and any system can work.
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Get better players? I think you might have just solved it.
 
GwladysPhil said:
From my perspective there's only one answer to how you play against them.

They close down and harass each player on the ball much more than peps Barca team, then when they get the ball back the players know exactly where to launch a first time ball to one of their rapid players, robinson and Arnold are both good players but the tactics make them look like world beaters. Quick crosses to the 6 yard box, they will be practicing that in training ever day, hence why they're so effective

The answer is to play like them, the Chelsea game under Dunc would have been a good example, don't give them a second on the ball.

I'm worried now that under Ancelotti, we will be like Spurs with Mourinho, the game has changed now and teams trying to play passing (boring) possession football will be punished. Rodgers with Leicester and Wilder with Sheffield have the right idea.
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Play a high line to keep them back and they play the long ball over the top and use the pace of the forwards to score.

Defend deep and they pin you back and keep on attacking and crossing the ball in until they score.
It's difficult to set up against them.

They found the formula that works for them.

it was like Conte using a 5-3-2 using Victor Moses, no one could figure a way of keeping them at bay.
 
GwladysPhil said:
From my perspective there's only one answer to how you play against them.

They close down and harass each player on the ball much more than peps Barca team, then when they get the ball back the players know exactly where to launch a first time ball to one of their rapid players, robinson and Arnold are both good players but the tactics make them look like world beaters. Quick crosses to the 6 yard box, they will be practicing that in training ever day, hence why they're so effective

The answer is to play like them, the Chelsea game under Dunc would have been a good example, don't give them a second on the ball.

I'm worried now that under Ancelotti, we will be like Spurs with Mourinho, the game has changed now and teams trying to play passing (boring) possession football will be punished. Rodgers with Leicester and Wilder with Sheffield have the right idea.
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I slightly disagree, depends on your personnel. If you have top quality ball players who can play quick one touch passes you can take 3 players out of the game in two passes and open up a stack of space to attack. We did it once or twice on Sunday and countered quickly in the first have. But you need Scholes or Pirlo level quality.
 

Daveysgingerlovechild said:
I slightly disagree, depends on your personnel. If you have top quality ball players who can play quick one touch passes you can take 3 players out of the game in two passes and open up a stack of space to attack. We did it once or twice on Sunday and countered quickly in the first have. But you need Scholes or Pirlo level quality.
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We might have done it once or twice against them in midfield.

But the Crux of the matter, it wasn't their starting midfield though.

Sadly they have more than one way of playing now, it's not that gegenpressing with no plan B where they got found out by teams who sat back and frustrated them, now they can play in a myriad of ways now, and that seems to have come about after Klopp fell out with his longtime #2 and brought in another coach.
 
DixieScoresAgain said:
We might have done it once or twice against them in midfield.

But the Crux of the matter, it wasn't their starting midfield though.

Sadly they have more than one way of playing now, it's not that gegenpressing with no plan B where they got found out by teams who sat back and frustrated them, now they can play in a myriad of ways now, and that seems to have come about after Klopp fell out with his longtime #2 and brought in another coach.
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Yep, that didn't work out as we hoped. Did it?
 
I see they're getting all sanctimonious about the incident at Finch Farm this week. Of course, they've never confronted their beloved 'redmen' have they?? Well yes actually. Listening to talksport yesterday, that beaut Danny Murphy admitted whilst he was at Liverpool, their players got fronted by a big group of angry fans in an airport after a bad defeat in a European away game so they've got nothing to get all sanctimonious about.

CL holders, top of the league, yet whatever is happening at Everton continues to dominate their thoughts. Plus they're always on this thread screenshotting posts and run off crying at what gets posted in here. They're way beyond obsessed.
 
StreetEndBlue said:
I see they're getting all sanctimonious about the incident at Finch Farm this week. Of course, they've never confronted their beloved 'redmen' have they?? Well yes actually. Listening to talksport yesterday, that beaut Danny Murphy admitted whilst he was at Liverpool, their players got fronted by a big group of angry fans in an airport after a bad defeat in a European away game so they've got nothing to get all sanctimonious about.

CL holders, top of the league, yet whatever is happening at Everton continues to dominate their thoughts. Plus they're always on this thread screenshotting posts and run off crying at what gets posted in here. They're way beyond obsessed.
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I would have thought that they would be glad to have gotten that reaction.
 
In all the wailing and gnashing of teeth this week, I'd missed that Rihan Brewster will be wearing his European Cup medal to training at Swansea for the rest of the season.

I'm as shocked as anyone that he isn't tearing up the Premier League as every journo under the sun told us he would in the summer.
 

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