Pienaar Signs for Spurs...

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We were riding high on the "best squad in years" quotes from Moyes back then, so maybe Everton wanted to keep him for our crack at the title. It seems a fair enough gamble, sadly it hasn't worked.
 

TX Bill said:
Meanwhile, he's been very good for us the whole time and the contract issue hasn't gone to his head out on the pitch.

...and as I said in my original post, that's more than fair for the supporters to be upset that he didn't play yesterday. For me, that's been the only issue I've had with him during this whole deal. I mean if he's going to give 100% every match up till now, why couldn't he give us one more yesterday. My opinion is that he would have made a difference on the pitch.
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I was with you until these contradictory statements. Pienaar is indeed entitled to run his contract down and move on for nothing. BUT his contract with Everton Football Club runs until the END of this season. SO if he starts refusing to play now, presumably to prevent himself becoming injured, he is acting unethically and unfairly towards the supporters who, ultimately, provide him with a fine living. It's his right to run down his contract but it is his risk that he seriously injures himself without contract coverage. A withdrawl of labour, just as if I went on strike, should result in a withdrawl of salary (and respect from the supporters and staff of this fine football club)
 
billycopper said:
I mean with regards to whether the fans would accept Pienaar back or not. If he turned round tomorrow and said that he wanted to stay, I think most people would be pretty pleased.
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I'd be very happy myself.

windymiller said:
I was with you until these contradictory statements. Pienaar is indeed entitled to run his contract down and move on for nothing. BUT his contract with Everton Football Club runs until the END of this season. SO if he starts refusing to play now, presumably to prevent himself becoming injured, he is acting unethically and unfairly towards the supporters who, ultimately, provide him with a fine living. It's his right to run down his contract but it is his risk that he seriously injures himself without contract coverage. A withdrawl of labour, just as if I went on strike, should result in a withdrawl of salary (and respect from the supporters and staff of this fine football club)
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I'm not arguing that at all. I assume that if we had accepted a bid, then Moyes wouldn't play him. But that he came in to Moyes and said "I'm not right to play," Moyes probably should have said, "Yeah, well you won't be getting paid this week either."

I stated that the supporters were right to be upset with him not playing yesterday provided it wasn't Moyes who sat him down.
 
windymiller said:
I was with you until these contradictory statements. Pienaar is indeed entitled to run his contract down and move on for nothing. BUT his contract with Everton Football Club runs until the END of this season. SO if he starts refusing to play now, presumably to prevent himself becoming injured, he is acting unethically and unfairly towards the supporters who, ultimately, provide him with a fine living. It's his right to run down his contract but it is his risk that he seriously injures himself without contract coverage. A withdrawl of labour, just as if I went on strike, should result in a withdrawl of salary (and respect from the supporters and staff of this fine football club)
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Great point mate...I really would be fuming if I was Moyes..He's should be fined for refusing to play...
 

windymiller said:
I was with you until these contradictory statements. Pienaar is indeed entitled to run his contract down and move on for nothing. BUT his contract with Everton Football Club runs until the END of this season. SO if he starts refusing to play now, presumably to prevent himself becoming injured, he is acting unethically and unfairly towards the supporters who, ultimately, provide him with a fine living. It's his right to run down his contract but it is his risk that he seriously injures himself without contract coverage. A withdrawl of labour, just as if I went on strike, should result in a withdrawl of salary (and respect from the supporters and staff of this fine football club)
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THIS IS SPOT ON
 
windymiller said:
I was with you until these contradictory statements. Pienaar is indeed entitled to run his contract down and move on for nothing. BUT his contract with Everton Football Club runs until the END of this season. SO if he starts refusing to play now, presumably to prevent himself becoming injured, he is acting unethically and unfairly towards the supporters who, ultimately, provide him with a fine living. It's his right to run down his contract but it is his risk that he seriously injures himself without contract coverage. A withdrawl of labour, just as if I went on strike, should result in a withdrawl of salary (and respect from the supporters and staff of this fine football club)
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NOT ONLY THAT. LEGALLY SPEAKING...

We (EFC) could seek damages from him and his agent.
 
He's played in 18 PL games this season, out of a possible 54 points we've gotten 16.

So for the other 4 games when he hasn't played, we've gotten 10 out of 12.

Make of that what you will, I know in several of those games the entire squad has been entirely usless but I'd say it's pretty interesting, and on current form, possibly relieving.

If we're gonna brag on a players previous form, we might aswell get Andy Johnson back 'cause he was boss for about 15 games too.
 
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A shame to see him go, but (if SSN are to be believed) £3 million for someone with six months left on their contract, who doesnt want to sign a new one with us, and who we only paid £2 million for anyway, is probably about as good as it gets.
 
Spurs? What a pathetic joke of a team, Chelsea I could understand, not Spurs. Goodnight Stevie.
 
windymiller said:
I was with you until these contradictory statements. Pienaar is indeed entitled to run his contract down and move on for nothing. BUT his contract with Everton Football Club runs until the END of this season. SO if he starts refusing to play now, presumably to prevent himself becoming injured, he is acting unethically and unfairly towards the supporters who, ultimately, provide him with a fine living. It's his right to run down his contract but it is his risk that he seriously injures himself without contract coverage. A withdrawl of labour, just as if I went on strike, should result in a withdrawl of salary (and respect from the supporters and staff of this fine football club)
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I don't think there's any suggestion that he would refuse to play over the long term. His head must be all over the shop while he tries to sort his future out. He simply wasn't in the right frame of mind to do himself justice in the derby. I'm pleased that he acted in the way that he did, to be honest. If he'd turned up in body but not in mind it would have been like having ten men. A sub par performance could have affected his value too.
 
tsubaki said:
A shame to see him go, but (if SSN are to be believed) £3 million for someone with six months left on their contract, who doesnt want to sign a new one with us, and who we only paid £2 million for anyway, is probably about as good as it gets.
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Moysie was saying over the weekend that he's not sure whether he'll see any of the money anyway. He said there definitely won't be any permanent signings. :-(
 

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