New Everton Stadium Discussion

But no power to enforce squat.
No. But it'd be an unwanted outcome. "If you build that stadium then the city becomes less pleasing on the eye". Great publicity. More substantially, if (and I suspect there will be many) those from the public and private sector who run tourist destinations object to anything that might upset their enterprise - such as the loss of WHS - you can be sure there'll be objections to Everton's plan
 
No. But it'd be an unwanted outcome. "If you build that stadium then the city becomes less pleasing on the eye". Great publicity. More substantially, if (and I suspect there will be many) those from the public and private sector who run tourist destinations object to anything that might upset their enterprise - such as the loss of WHS - you can be sure there'll be objections to Everton's plan

What exactly is currently pleasing on the eye at BMD?
 
goat your completly miss informed here
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What exactly is currently pleasing on the eye at BMD?
Nothing.

This is the wrong debate with me though. I could care less about what UNESCO think or prefer to see on that site and those neighbouring it. My argument here is that there are people who believe that the WHS issue is of no importance to Everton's stadium bid. I disagree with that.
 

Nothing.

This is the wrong debate with me though. I could care less about what UNESCO think or prefer to see on that site and those neighbouring it. My argument here is that there are people who believe that the WHS issue is of no importance to Everton's stadium bid. I disagree with that.

Well they have tried it on before, and have tried again. Its an annoyance, but in reality, imo, little more than that.

I am 100% certain that objections when PP goes in will have WHS front and centre though. But I do not think they will prove to be successful.
 
Well they have tried it on before, and have tried again. Its an annoyance, but in reality, imo, little more than that.

I am 100% certain that objections when PP goes in will have WHS front and centre though. But I do not think they will prove to be successful.

It'll be added to the transport issues and funding issues. The club will have had 3 years to think about what they'll say over matters like this when PP is applied for and questioned. I have zero faith that they'll have convincing answers for them though, because they are complete amateurs at everything they do.
 
It'll be added to the transport issues and funding issues. The club will have had 3 years to think about what they'll say over matters like this when PP is applied for and questioned. I have zero faith that they'll have convincing answers for them though, because they are complete amateurs at everything they do.

Lets see. From what I have read and heard, they have been working full time on addressing all of the potential issues that WILL be raised.
 

Not sure if this has been posted but it seems like the club have been thinking about the whole whs thing

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...ews/everton-hope-bring-bramley-moore-16494704

Everton hope to bring Bramley-Moore Dock landmark back to life as new details of stadium emerge

Everton hope to bring a derelict Grade II listed building on the Bramley-Moore Dock back to life as part of their proposals to build a new stadium on the site.

A hydraulic tower, built in 1883 and originally used to power dock infrastructure, has long since fallen into disrepair.

But Everton want to investigate whether the building can be made safe and have asked fans for their thoughts on potential uses.

Suggestions already include an Everton museum which could include memorabilia from the Everton Collection, currently in storage at the city's Public Records Office, a heritage centre to celebrate the city's dock culture (including former Everton players who worked as dockers), a café, shop or a bar.

In addition to preserving and renovating the historic tower, the Blues' stadium plans will also include proposals to protect the original dock walls and retain a waterway linking the adjacent docks as part of a network.

Everton's People's Project consultation document said: "We understand the importance of the docks to Liverpool’s status as a World Heritage Site. However, we believe our proposals for Bramley-Moore Dock do not represent a choice between this development or preserving heritage.

"Both can, and should, exist together, drawing strength from one another. As one of the oldest established cultural institutions in the city, Everton Football Club understands the importance of heritage.

"Liverpool has a long history of imaginativelyreusing abandoned docks and giving them a new lease of life. Our proposal follows this tradition.

"Our design team is carefully considering how the appearance of the proposed stadium can reflect the dockland setting and be sympathetic to its surroundings. The landscaping around the stadium will reflect the history of the site and reuse dock features where possible."

The Bramley-Moore dock is currently closed to the general public but Everton's plans would enable an historic part of the city to be open year-round as a visitor attraction.

Another Hydraulic Tower at the Albert Dock, built in the same year as Everton's formation in 1878, was converted into the Pump House pub in 1984 as part of the dramatic renovation which transformed the abandoned and derelict dock site.

The Bramley-Moore Hydraulic Tower was initially part of a high level railway system which connected to, and served, the docks.

Over the years the engine house has been demolished and the chimney reduced in height. All the original equipment has been removed from the buildings which currently lie empty and rotting.

Further assessment work is required to understand the condition of the tower and the club is keen to make it safe but Everton are keen to incorporate the Hydraulic Tower back as part of a Fan Plaza for the new stadium.

Housing items from the Everton Collection - described by Graham Budd of Sotheby's as a collection which "has no match anywhere in the football world and offers a unique record of the evolution of British football and of the city of Liverpool" - is one obvious use.

But another suggestion is a heritage centre to celebrate Liverpool's dock culture.

Tommy Wright, Tommy White, William S. Stewart, Patrick Gordon and ‘Billy’ Kirsopp were five Everton first teamers who also made their living working on the Mersey Docks over the years.
 
Not sure if this has been posted but it seems like the club have been thinking about the whole whs thing

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...ews/everton-hope-bring-bramley-moore-16494704

Everton hope to bring Bramley-Moore Dock landmark back to life as new details of stadium emerge

Everton hope to bring a derelict Grade II listed building on the Bramley-Moore Dock back to life as part of their proposals to build a new stadium on the site.

A hydraulic tower, built in 1883 and originally used to power dock infrastructure, has long since fallen into disrepair.

But Everton want to investigate whether the building can be made safe and have asked fans for their thoughts on potential uses.

Suggestions already include an Everton museum which could include memorabilia from the Everton Collection, currently in storage at the city's Public Records Office, a heritage centre to celebrate the city's dock culture (including former Everton players who worked as dockers), a café, shop or a bar.

In addition to preserving and renovating the historic tower, the Blues' stadium plans will also include proposals to protect the original dock walls and retain a waterway linking the adjacent docks as part of a network.

Everton's People's Project consultation document said: "We understand the importance of the docks to Liverpool’s status as a World Heritage Site. However, we believe our proposals for Bramley-Moore Dock do not represent a choice between this development or preserving heritage.

"Both can, and should, exist together, drawing strength from one another. As one of the oldest established cultural institutions in the city, Everton Football Club understands the importance of heritage.

"Liverpool has a long history of imaginativelyreusing abandoned docks and giving them a new lease of life. Our proposal follows this tradition.

"Our design team is carefully considering how the appearance of the proposed stadium can reflect the dockland setting and be sympathetic to its surroundings. The landscaping around the stadium will reflect the history of the site and reuse dock features where possible."

The Bramley-Moore dock is currently closed to the general public but Everton's plans would enable an historic part of the city to be open year-round as a visitor attraction.

Another Hydraulic Tower at the Albert Dock, built in the same year as Everton's formation in 1878, was converted into the Pump House pub in 1984 as part of the dramatic renovation which transformed the abandoned and derelict dock site.

The Bramley-Moore Hydraulic Tower was initially part of a high level railway system which connected to, and served, the docks.

Over the years the engine house has been demolished and the chimney reduced in height. All the original equipment has been removed from the buildings which currently lie empty and rotting.

Further assessment work is required to understand the condition of the tower and the club is keen to make it safe but Everton are keen to incorporate the Hydraulic Tower back as part of a Fan Plaza for the new stadium.

Housing items from the Everton Collection - described by Graham Budd of Sotheby's as a collection which "has no match anywhere in the football world and offers a unique record of the evolution of British football and of the city of Liverpool" - is one obvious use.

But another suggestion is a heritage centre to celebrate Liverpool's dock culture.

Tommy Wright, Tommy White, William S. Stewart, Patrick Gordon and ‘Billy’ Kirsopp were five Everton first teamers who also made their living working on the Mersey Docks over the years.
Oh look, the club taking the WHS threat seriously...unlike the blithe attitude of the "experts" @MarcelsGoat
 
Oh look, the club taking the WHS threat seriously...unlike the blithe attitude of the "experts" @MarcelsGoat
But you’ve just said the Club were amateurs? You can’t have it both ways.
The Club will spend the several hundred thousand pounds (not millions) on very well placed consultants who will know the best way to deal with this. If it is possible then the Club will make it happen. Just enjoy the ride.
 

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